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[timn1]

Thanks Cb, for keeping us chuckling.
Tim

Originally Posted by drcy

In fact, I heard they added some more dirt to it just to be even more honest.

(That too was tongue in cheek)

[bnorth]

This thread is amazing. Guy calls out LOTG for doing something they said would never happen then gets attacked, awesome. Then attackers focus on one of the two problems. Completely ignore the real problem and attack and call names for the one that is more accepted in the hobby.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This thread is amazing. Guy calls out LOTG for doing something they said would never happen then gets attacked, awesome. Then attackers focus on one of the two problems. Completely ignore the real problem and attack and call names for the one that is more accepted in the hobby.

Yup! Herd mentality

[Snapolit1]

1. Al is a good guy and runs a good AH.

2. You only need to be on this board a few hours before you realize that the mob response will go along party lines very consistently, much like in the world of politics, sports, pop music fandom, or anything else. How people reach to Brent will differ from Probstein which will differ from Goldin which will vary from . . . . Just how things are done. We know the hobby is rife with fraud, so we create broad groupings of heroes and villains and do away with the grey space in between. The heroes are amazing people beyond reproach. Almost saintly. The villains are ruining everything.

Heroes and Villains. More than just a great Beach Boys song.

[the-illini]

I wish Jesse applied the same diligence in rooting out issues to his own consignments as he does to every consignment to LOTG.

[Hankphenom]

Looking past the kvetching and personal agendas, I find this an interesting discussion of a relevant topic: the sometimes fine line between cleaning and alteration. For those who'd care to play, I'd like to see some yes or no answers to the following questions: is the kind of cleaning done in this case, either by consignors or auction houses, acceptable? And if so, must the methods be fully described in the description?

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Looking past the kvetching and personal agendas, I find this an interesting discussion of a relevant topic: the sometimes fine line between cleaning and alteration. For those who'd care to play, I'd like to see some yes or no answers to the following questions: is the kind of cleaning done in this case, either by consignors or auction houses, acceptable? And if so, must the methods be fully described in the description?

I think the memorabilia/sign guys have weighed in already that cleaning is customarily done on signs and expected and not something one must disclose.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Looking past the kvetching and personal agendas, I find this an interesting discussion of a relevant topic: the sometimes fine line between cleaning and alteration. For those who'd care to play, I'd like to see some yes or no answers to the following questions: is the kind of cleaning done in this case, either by consignors or auction houses, acceptable? And if so, must the methods be fully described in the description?

This is my understanding and what I would hope a seller does if I am the buyer. I also do this when I sell something.

I believe it is OK as long as it is fully disclosed that it has been cleaned/restored. Explaining how is not needed IMO. I have cleaned a few signs and I doubt it was just cotton balls and water, not that the method is important if cleaning was disclosed.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by the-illini

I wish Jesse applied the same diligence in rooting out issues to his own consignments as he does to every consignment to LOTG.

I do not own and operate an auction house that pledged to carefully review all cards under magnification worth over $500 and withdraw any card determined to be altered immediately.

I did not apply any diligence in rooting out LOTG issues. Both were pointed out to me privately by a collector who did not want his or her name associated with the issue. Probably due to the mob mentality around here, and responses like this and the ones above.

The alterations on the E95 and T3 Cobb are quite similar. Something was removed, and the card was damaged in the process. Both received numerical grades afterwards. Regardless of the AH selling, or timing and placement of the disclosure, there were plenty here saying the T3 Cobb did not belong in that 2 holder. PSA agreed. I have not seen anyone say the E95 Cobb doesn't belong in its 3 holder.

I know nothing about the market for tin advertising signs, and what's considered acceptable. I do find it quite interesting that someone was able to clean it using some method that experts around here seem to agree is fine, and add 10k of value in a few months.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I do not own and operate an auction house that pledged to carefully review all cards under magnification worth over $500 and withdraw any card determined to be altered immediately.

I did not apply any diligence in rooting out LOTG issues. Both were pointed out to me privately by a collector who did not want his or her name associated with the issue. Probably due to the mob mentality around here, and responses like this and the ones above.

The alterations on the E95 and T3 Cobb are quite similar. Something was removed, and the card was damaged in the process. Both received numerical grades afterwards. Regardless of the AH selling, or timing and placement of the disclosure, there were plenty here saying the T3 Cobb did not belong in that 2 holder. PSA agreed. I have not seen anyone say the E95 Cobb doesn't belong in its 3 holder.

I know nothing about the market for tin advertising signs, and what's considered acceptable. I do find it quite interesting that someone was able to clean it using some method that experts around here seem to agree is fine, and add 10k of value in a few months.

Just curious - does this same collector point out issues from other auction houses to you?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I know nothing about the market for tin advertising signs, and what's considered acceptable. I do find it quite interesting that someone was able to clean it using some method that experts around here seem to agree is fine, and add 10k of value in a few months.

No kidding! A lot of guys are going to be taking a closer look at their tin signs!

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This thread is amazing. Guy calls out LOTG for doing something they said would never happen then gets attacked, awesome. Then attackers focus on one of the two problems. Completely ignore the real problem and attack and call names for the one that is more accepted in the hobby.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am reluctant to post this because it feels in the spirit of no good deed goes unpunished. In normal circumstances I would have found Al's disclosure and notification commendable. That said, in my opinion, he should instead have taken the auction down. He made a bold and unequivocal statement that he would remove any card identified as altered from his auction, yet a card was identified as altered and he didn't remove it. I understand why he didn't, and of course it's easy to pass judgment from a distance, and I continue to hold him in high regard. But I think he should have followed his own policy and not tried to finesse it. Just my opinion.

I very quickly ran thru the thread, but it seems these two posts are the only two that reflect what I thought the OP was pointing out..... I don't believe anyone commented on them.