Darren's Rovell take on PWCC, etc.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

The odds of PSA going bankrupt are slim to none.....And slim just left the station

I would think that the TPGs all have some kind of insurance, to cover themselves if something like this happened.

Wouldn't surprise me 5-10 ten years from now, that people would think something is wrong with a card if its in an old TPG holder where it was graded by a human. Let new technology grade it with consistent standards, and let the new registry game begin.

Its like trying to sell a raw card now, where someone thinks its bad since not Blessed by a TPG. If/when I consign a card to sell, Ill use the best TPG at that time. Hopefully a new company comes into the grading arena, and raises the bar.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

I would think that the TPGs all have some kind of insurance, to cover themselves if something like this happened.

Wouldn't surprise me 5-10 ten years from now, that people would think something is wrong with a card if its in an old TPG holder where it was graded by a human. Let new technology grade it with consistent standards, and let the new registry game begin.

Its like trying to sell a raw card now, where someone thinks its bad since not Blessed by a TPG. If/when I consign a card to sell, Ill use the best TPG at that time. Hopefully a new company comes into the grading arena, and raises the bar.

Agree......

Maybe a good time to sell now When Ignorance, Turning a Blind Eye and Kool Aid Drinking seem to be at an all time high....most don’t get it or care....they’re addicted to the PSA grade that’s all that matters. I believe the time to Dump is now while the sheeple are still attached to the hip of PSA

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree......

Maybe a good time to sell now When Ignorance, Turning a Blind Eye and Kool Aid Drinking seem to be at an all time high....most don’t get it or care....they’re addicted to the PSA grade that’s all that matters. I believe the time to Dump is now while the sheeple are still attached to the hip of PSA

I'm confused by this. Please tell me if I am understanding this incorrectly. You do believe that a lot(I don't know what your personal take is % wise) of PSA cards are altered. Yet you are suggesting that people dump their PSA cards to people who are either turning a blind eye to the situation or ignorant of the situation? Basically to pawn off possibly altered cards to the next guy? I mean, isn't that what everyone is pissed at PWCC for doing?

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

I'm confused by this. Please tell me if I am understanding this incorrectly. You do believe that a lot(I don't know what your personal take is % wise) of PSA cards are altered. Yet you are suggesting that people dump their PSA cards to people who are either turning a blind eye to the situation or ignorant of the situation? Basically to pawn off possibly altered cards to the next guy? I mean, isn't that what everyone is pissed at PWCC for doing?

I’ve never suggested pawning off possibly altered cards to the next guy. That’s not what everyone is pissed off at PWCC for. The whole PwCC issue has been discussed at nauseam on this board and countless others. I’ve sold off most of my PSA graded cards over the past year none of which have been altered, they were all submitted by myself from virgin raw collections.

I do believe a large percentage of PSA graded cards with number grades are altered. Pre war having the most second to post war era cards.

My point is that people are buying cards in PSA holders not caring about the card just the number on the slab....People Buy the Holder Not the Card.....In the long run I believe it’s going to be the other way around....

It wouldn’t shock me if most prospective buyer begin to second guess and highly scrutinize every PSA card as having issues prior to buying.....I know I would.

I have zero faith in their Opinion unless I graded the card myself, know the full history of card, and or have it in hand to visually look at, I’m highly suspect.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I’ve never suggested pawning off possibly altered cards to the next guy. That’s not what everyone is pissed off at PWCC for. The whole PwCC issue has been discussed at nauseam on this board and countless others. I’ve sold off most of my PSA graded cards over the past year none of which have been altered, they were all submitted by myself from virgin raw collections.

I do believe a large percentage of PSA graded cards with number grades are altered. Pre war having the most second to post war era cards.

My point is that people are buying cards in PSA holders not caring about the card just the number on the slab....People Buy the Holder Not the Card.....In the long run I believe it’s going to be the other way around....

It wouldn’t shock me if most prospective buyer begin to second guess and highly scrutinize every PSA card as having issues prior to buying.....I know I would.

I have zero faith in their Opinion unless I graded the card myself, know the full history of card, and or have it in hand to visually look at, I’m highly suspect.

I get what you are saying and yes, the PWCC subject has been discussed at such great lengths. I am in the same boat as far as my collection of graded stuff. The vast majority are cards I know the origin and have subbed myself and have complete confidence in or I have purchased from reliable sources. Then again, I'm basically a post war mid-grade or lower collector so I don't think my chances of being affected are as great. My main focus is 62 Jell-O and I know they are all hand cut and I don't think there is enough knowledge out there about them for anyone to even consider "doctoring" them....at least not at this point. But I guess my thought is, as a collector, if you... or I for that matter, know that our cards in holders are good, why would we want to sell them off just because of this scandal? Hell, those could be exception rather than the norm down the road and make them more valuable. That is assuming the value is more important than the actual cards themselves.

[perezfan]

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