PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[Just.Rachel]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Fixed it for you.

Haha, a Fixer! Tell me you don't work for PWCC...

Nice recoloring job, for sure. PSA prolly wouldn't catch it.

Thanks!

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Haha, a Fixer! Tell me you don't work for PWCC...

Nice recoloring job, for sure. PSA prolly wouldn't catch it.

Thanks!

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Not at the moment, it they walk away scott free from this fiasco I might apply for a job there.

[BeanTown]

They are looking!

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

They are looking!

They’re not graders they’re Opinion Givers With lousy Opinions

Never use us, guarantee you won’t get cheated.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

They are looking!

Another bullet point they might want to add to their job posting:

• Willingness to turn a blind eye to altered cards (extra compensation provided)

[oldjudge]

Is this the picture?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is this the picture?

Regardless of whether or not that's the same picture, it's rather nauseating...

But glad to see he was able to borrow a pair of Moser's scissors for the special event!

Take note, FBI... Exhibit #1

[rdwyer]

Sorry for the language. But it's funny.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is this the picture?

The only one looking down. That actually says a lot.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Another bullet point they might want to add to their job posting:

• Willingness to turn a blind eye to altered cards (extra compensation provided)

As long as its submitted in the special holder. Whoops... Enuff said. Don't want to give away the punch line.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

They are looking!

Note how they mention productivity twice. And getting it right not at all.

[topcat61]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

They are looking!

Apparently when applying for a job at PSA, you don't need experience as a forensic document analyst or in handwriting to get this job? I would think it would be necessary, no?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by topcat61

Apparently when applying for a job at PSA, you don't need experience as a forensic document analyst or in handwriting to get this job? I would think it would be necessary, no?

How would that apply to grading cards?

[topcat61]

Originally Posted by steve B

How would that apply to grading cards?

Here's why I would trust a Forensic Document Examiner over a grader any day of the week -

"Forensic document examiners, also often referred to as questioned document examiners, are forensic scientists who are responsible for using a number of scientific processes and methods for examining documents—whether written, typed, or printed—related to a crime scene investigation.

Forensic document examiners should not to be confused with graphologists, who are handwriting analysis practitioners that claim to be able to discern personality characteristics based on handwriting features. Graphology is largely viewed as a pseudoscience in the eyes of the scientific community.

Forensic document examiners, on the other hand, are skilled forensics scientists with a demonstrated expertise in applied questioned document examination. They are handwriting experts, as well as experts in other areas of document examination, including machine printing processes; and obliterated, indented and erased entries.

The most common type of questioned document examination involves identifying the authorship of a written letter. It is also common for forensic document examiners to determine if an item originated from the same source as a known item, determine when a document was produced, and decipher information on a document that has been erased, hidden, or obscured.

Forensic document examiners may perform the following:

Examine documents for signs that they have been forged or altered
Compare signatures and handwriting through handwriting analysis to determine the authorship of documents
Examine typed documents and link them to specific machines or computers (printing process examinations)
Decipher the contents of documents that have been partially destroyed or altered
Compare fractured or cut-edge comparisons on a variety of surfaces, including paper and tape
Examine incidents of indented writing
Perform alternate light source examinations to determine ink discrimination, alterations, and/or enhancements
Forensic document examiners commonly work in local, state or federal crime labs. A number of these professionals work through private investigative companies, although this type of work is generally geared toward civil cases. Forensic document examiners are also often called to testify as experts in criminal cases".*

*crimesceneinvestigatoredu.org

[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by topcat61

Here's why I would trust a Forensic Document Examiner over a grader any day of the week -

"Forensic document examiners, also often referred to as questioned document examiners, are forensic scientists who are responsible for using a number of scientific processes and methods for examining documents—whether written, typed, or printed—related to a crime scene investigation.

Forensic document examiners should not to be confused with graphologists, who are handwriting analysis practitioners that claim to be able to discern personality characteristics based on handwriting features. Graphology is largely viewed as a pseudoscience in the eyes of the scientific community.

Forensic document examiners, on the other hand, are skilled forensics scientists with a demonstrated expertise in applied questioned document examination. They are handwriting experts, as well as experts in other areas of document examination, including machine printing processes; and obliterated, indented and erased entries.

The most common type of questioned document examination involves identifying the authorship of a written letter. It is also common for forensic document examiners to determine if an item originated from the same source as a known item, determine when a document was produced, and decipher information on a document that has been erased, hidden, or obscured.

Forensic document examiners may perform the following:

Examine documents for signs that they have been forged or altered
Compare signatures and handwriting through handwriting analysis to determine the authorship of documents
Examine typed documents and link them to specific machines or computers (printing process examinations)
Decipher the contents of documents that have been partially destroyed or altered
Compare fractured or cut-edge comparisons on a variety of surfaces, including paper and tape
Examine incidents of indented writing
Perform alternate light source examinations to determine ink discrimination, alterations, and/or enhancements
Forensic document examiners commonly work in local, state or federal crime labs. A number of these professionals work through private investigative companies, although this type of work is generally geared toward civil cases. Forensic document examiners are also often called to testify as experts in criminal cases".*

*crimesceneinvestigatoredu.org

I absolutely agree. I couldn't care less about what number is assigned to a card. I leave the aesthetic opinions up to my own eyes. I don't need a third party for that. I want a grading company to confirm that a card is authentic and unaltered. I guess we're all waiting for a reliable company to provide that service.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by topcat61

Here's why I would trust a Forensic Document Examiner over a grader any day of the week -

"Forensic document examiners, also often referred to as questioned document examiners, are forensic scientists who are responsible for using a number of scientific processes and methods for examining documents—whether written, typed, or printed—related to a crime scene investigation.

Forensic document examiners should not to be confused with graphologists, who are handwriting analysis practitioners that claim to be able to discern personality characteristics based on handwriting features. Graphology is largely viewed as a pseudoscience in the eyes of the scientific community.

Forensic document examiners, on the other hand, are skilled forensics scientists with a demonstrated expertise in applied questioned document examination. They are handwriting experts, as well as experts in other areas of document examination, including machine printing processes; and obliterated, indented and erased entries.

The most common type of questioned document examination involves identifying the authorship of a written letter. It is also common for forensic document examiners to determine if an item originated from the same source as a known item, determine when a document was produced, and decipher information on a document that has been erased, hidden, or obscured.

Forensic document examiners may perform the following:

Examine documents for signs that they have been forged or altered
Compare signatures and handwriting through handwriting analysis to determine the authorship of documents
Examine typed documents and link them to specific machines or computers (printing process examinations)
Decipher the contents of documents that have been partially destroyed or altered
Compare fractured or cut-edge comparisons on a variety of surfaces, including paper and tape
Examine incidents of indented writing
Perform alternate light source examinations to determine ink discrimination, alterations, and/or enhancements
Forensic document examiners commonly work in local, state or federal crime labs. A number of these professionals work through private investigative companies, although this type of work is generally geared toward civil cases. Forensic document examiners are also often called to testify as experts in criminal cases".*

*crimesceneinvestigatoredu.org

Nearly all of that is about judging the content or authorship of a written or typed document. If the card is signed, sure.
Maybe it's just a side effect of the number of crooked autograph authenticators that claim to be "forensic document examiners" (See the autograph section for more info)

In a general sense, they could probably identify some bad alterations, but getting it right on an alteration that's done well? That takes specific specialized information, which I don't believe most of them have.
It wouldn't be hard for them to get it, but the specialized info isn't something they just know.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by topcat61

Apparently when applying for a job at PSA, you don't need experience as a forensic document analyst or in handwriting to get this job? I would think it would be necessary, no?

No.

[swarmee]

FWIW, it was reported on Blowout that Gary Moser's ebay account, whitman111 which became ricky-leo, is now "No Longer A Registered User"

Doesn't mean he's off eBay, but maybe they do care about it a little with the FBI involvement. I wonder if the FBI was tipped off about the odd sales history outages that eBay seemed to cause?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

FWIW, it was reported on Blowout that Gary Moser's ebay account, whitman111 which became ricky-leo, is now "No Longer A Registered User"

Doesn't mean he's off eBay, but maybe they do care about it a little with the FBI involvement. I wonder if the FBI was tipped off about the odd sales history outages that eBay seemed to cause?

Maybe he took it down himself and has a brand new one.