PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[Just.Rachel]

Say it ain't so!

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[Republicaninmass]

The ones that were never paid for?

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by Just.Rachel

Say it ain't so!

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My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

I’m sure they didn’t offer the cards for display without the owner’s knowledge.

[Just.Rachel]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

My understanding of the PWCC vault was that it held cards that were sent in by collectors. So, how can PWCC offer these cards to the HOF to display if they didn't really own these cards?

I'm not sure of the details. I pulled that snip from an article I saw in a quick Google search...found at baseballhall.org and written by Craig Muder.

I should've noted the source in the post with the snip. Sorry.

I'd guess pwcc owns a few cards itself, but I have no clue.

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[CuriousGeorge]

I’m a little confused as to where the line is as to what’s ok and what’s not ok? Trimming and altering is bad. Got it. How about shill bidding? Acceptable or not? He who casts stones....

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

As has been discussed elsewhere. In most places shill bidding in and of itself isn't illegal. The problem is intent and knowledge can make it illegal. Basically if you bid something up but then honor the commitment if you "accidentally" win you're fine. If you conspire with a buddy to run something up, or if you have knowledge of other's max bids and simply force them to max out, then you are breaking the law.

Read Heritage's T&C they actually come right out and state that they reserve the right to shill bid. They don't really have to say it, but, to their credit they do.

21. The Auctioneer, its affiliates, or their employees consign items to be sold in the Auction, and may bid on those lots or any other lots. Auctioneer or affiliates expressly reserve the right to modify any such bids at any time prior to the hammer based upon data made known to the Auctioneer or its affiliates. The Auctioneer may
extend advances, guarantees, or loans to certain consignors.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

As has been discussed elsewhere. In most places shill bidding in and of itself isn't illegal. The problem is intent and knowledge can make it illegal. Basically if you bid something up but then honor the commitment if you "accidentally" win you're fine. If you conspire with a buddy to run something up, or if you have knowledge of other's max bids and simply force them to max out, then you are breaking the law.

Read Heritage's T&C they actually come right out and state that they reserve the right to shill bid. They don't really have to say it, but, to their credit they do.

21. The Auctioneer, its affiliates, or their employees consign items to be sold in the Auction, and may bid on those lots or any other lots. Auctioneer or affiliates expressly reserve the right to modify any such bids at any time prior to the hammer based upon data made known to the Auctioneer or its affiliates. The Auctioneer may
extend advances, guarantees, or loans to certain consignors.

I think Steven's remark was directed at a specific poster, not a request for information.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Ah, sometimes without using the quote feature, it's hard to know.