I totally forgot PWCC had an auction ending tonight

[PiratesWS1979]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

I watched to see if there was any impact. I disagree with your buddy. Prices seemed just as silly as usual (e.g. $4k for a PSA 5 T206 Speaker). There are plenty who still want to buy from PWCC.

But the Speaker had EXTREMELY LARGE borders. Hopefully PSA and SGC keeps a file on that card.

[Steve D]

Well, I was just finally able to pick up a T202 Wood/Speaker, Speaker Rounding Third, after years of searching and being outbid.


Steve

[Peter_Spaeth]

Never again.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Never again.

+1

[frankbmd]

I didn’t look.

I didn’t bid.

I didn’t forget.

No regrets.

[bounce]

there's some of everything. a few of the items mentioned were strong. the ruth and gehrig goudeys seemed pretty strong as well.

however, i'd say the matty portraits were definitely lower than they'd been and those cards were nice. johnson pitching was probably disappointing to the consignor, and the young portraits weren't crazy. even a couple of the cobbs seemed somewhat reasonable to me.

it's only one night, but so far it's not records across the board like had been going on for the past two years or more. will be interesting to see what happens as the auction continues.

[Bicem]

No thanks, too many better places to get stuff.

[irv]

I haven't bid in any of their auctions now for 2 years and have zero future plans of doing so.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Never again.

+1

They will slowly lose legit buyers and consignors. They will be forced to stop doing unethical money making practices. The once all mighty eBay seller known as PWCC, will become an after thought within two years.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

+1

They will slowly lose legit buyers and consignors. They will be forced to stop doing unethical money making practices. The once all mighty eBay seller known as PWCC, will become an after thought within two years.

Same thing happened to GlacierBayDVD. And JayandMarie1centCDs. They were both considered too big to fail. They both crumbled.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

+1

They will slowly lose legit buyers and consignors. They will be forced to stop doing unethical money making practices. The once all mighty eBay seller known as PWCC, will become an after thought within two years.

Hopefully this will be the case. But the fact that prices are still very strong indicates that word of the scandal has not spread beyond Net54 and BO. It really demonstrates how many collectors there are who do not frequent these forums.

I know that many (less vocal) people here are probably still buying from PWCC because they want "the stuff"... but a big chunk here is not. And the boycotters are barely impacting prices realized (if at all). So until the word somehow reaches a larger audience, we might not see PWCC's demise anytime soon.

The best short-term opportunity for increasing exposure is obviously at The National. Hopefully, something will happen in Chicago, which will reveal their corruption to a greater audience. Otherwise we're likely in for more of the same deception.

[irv]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I don't think there's any question that gehrig's been chemically bathed/bleached!

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is the third or fourth such card we've seen recently in an S_C holder that looked (to my eye) way too white. I don't know what's going on. A card that white, or as white as that Leaf Jackie was, should raise red flags.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Sadly I think the reality is that some alterations are not detectable...atleast not with current techniques used by SGC/PSA/Beckett.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How is it not detectable, you and I see it plain as day.

Like I mentioned to Swarmee in another thread, if there is no way to detect the bleach/chemicals, how can they reject it?

I agree it is definitely suspect but if there is no, 100% proof, that it has seen a chemical bath, then their hands are tied.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

Like I mentioned to Swarmee in another thread, if there is no way to detect the bleach/chemicals, how can they reject it?

I agree it is definitely suspect but if there is no, 100% proof, that it has seen a chemical bath, then their hands are tied.

Cards get rejected for EVIDENCE of trimming, etc., there is no 100 percent proof standard, don't know where you are coming up with that. The human eye is probably the best evidence in any event. That's how most alterations are detected. Do you think they're putting cards through lab tests?

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

But the Speaker had EXTREMELY LARGE borders. Hopefully PSA and SGC keeps a file on that card.

True and agree. It's a nice card that maybe should have grabbed $2-2500.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

But the Speaker had EXTREMELY LARGE borders. Hopefully PSA and SGC keeps a file on that card.

Before Moser takes a file to it