Beware... Moser cards apparently in Mile High Auction

[bounce]

Originally Posted by 70ToppsFanatic

There is very little fact and quite a lot of speculation still circulating. The BO folks have identified some significant number of potentially altered cards and adopted a guilt-by-association mentality toward any cards submitted with them. That is prudent but who knows if it will turn out to be the exception or the rule?

Is it possible that some bad slabs made it into the MH auction or any other major auction house? Sure. Is it likely to be practically every card? That seems to be a bit of a reach without evidence to back up such a comprehensive assertion.

So for the record, you’d be cool winning these cards then?

It Wouldn’t change your mind at all if you knew who consigned them, you would bid the same regardless?

And you’d have zero problem bidding in their auctions again after finding out they were accepting consignments from someone who was actively seeking to get altered cards past the TPGs?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Blowout reports many of the cards have been taken down, but the guy running the show says many more altered cards remain. Stay tuned I guess to see how it plays out. I am glad Brian is responding.

[maddux311]

At first glance there are 12 lots that have been withdrawn, much more than the 1-2 per auction. I would not be surprised if Brian found out that they were Moser's work and promptly withdrew them. Having dealt with Brian I have complete faith that he would do the right thing as he is a stand up guy.

[Johnny630]

Good Job By AH pulling these...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Good Job By AH pulling these...

Brian has a lot more sense than Brent.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brian has a lot more sense than Brent.

Agree +1

[warrior1978]

Very good the reported lots were pulled. This fraud that has come to light has done serious damage to my faith in all the TPGs. Anything of value and greater than say a graded VG/EX will have me question whether the card has been altered or not.

[dabbuu]

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[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree +1

+1

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Good Job By AH pulling these...

Awesome job by MH to remove these cards.

And I’m sure that these cards weren’t consigned directly by Moser and that MH never took consignments from Moser over the years when everyone knew that Moser was a card doctor.

[111gecko]

MH now has the submitter of the cards. It wouldn't take much for the AH to get together and create a list of 'straw submitters'...

[calvindog]

What if Moser has submitted openly to MH for years?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Awesome job by MH to remove these cards.

And I’m sure that these cards weren’t consigned directly by Moser and that MH never took consignments from Moser over the years when everyone knew that Moser was a card doctor.

Originally Posted by calvindog

What if Moser has submitted openly to MH for years?

Didn't you just say you're sure he hadn't?

[70ToppsFanatic]

Originally Posted by bounce

So for the record, you’d be cool winning these cards then?

It Wouldn’t change your mind at all if you knew who consigned them, you would bid the same regardless?

And you’d have zero problem bidding in their auctions again after finding out they were accepting consignments from someone who was actively seeking to get altered cards past the TPGs?

For the record, I am saying is that there is quite a bit of information not yet disclosed/uncovered/available and yet there are outrageous claims being made about 25-33% and “...practically the whole auction...” being bad slabs. That’s irresponsible and potentially something that could cause great harm to some innocent peoples’ livelihoods.

For the record, I am saying be diligent and do your homework if you’re a prospective purchaser. As for the hyperbole, stick to the facts as we know them.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by 70ToppsFanatic

As for the hyperbole, stick to the facts as we know them.

As usual, no answers to the questions asked of you.

Fine - let's deal with facts.

Looks like at least 42 lots have been withdrawn, out of approximately 400 graded card lots.

Basically all the 1948 Leafs except one, 1948 Bowmans, all the Berk Ross except one, all the Parkhursts except one, I'm sure there are others. All of these sets were extremely popular choices for alteration.

Thankfully it appears that MH has dealt with most/all of them? Yesterday they were taking them down one at a time as discovered and reported, but seems like that changed.

I said 25% of the auction might be suspect now, so you're right I misspoke. I was referring to the single card auctions, of which something near 10% are now withdrawn.

Where exactly between this and 25% does hyperbole start and stop?

It's your prerogative to continue to insist we need a "courtroom conviction" level of certainty on each and every card. I don't need that level of certainty.

I'm glad they were withdrawn. Unfortunately, we still have to keep looking for them next time. And unless the AHs are going to share with each other and/or the market more broadly, someone else is likely going to get duped into accepting these and this whole circus will start again.

[Peter_Spaeth]

When's the last time an AH withdrew 40 cards from an auction after it opened? But nah, nothing to see here, after all, no lawsuits yet, right Jake?

And yep, the cards will just surface somewhere else.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When's the last time an AH withdrew 40 cards from an auction after it opened? But nah, nothing to see here, after all, no lawsuits yet, right Jake?

And yep, the cards will just surface somewhere else.

sounds like the harm was prevented...

[tschock]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

sounds like the harm was prevented delayed...

Fixed it for you. No charge.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

sounds like the harm was prevented...

Until they show up elsewhere...

[tulsaboy]

Have they pulled the 75 racks that were still up yesterday? Those are no good as well.
kevin