Industry participants' response to scandal so far -- report card

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Speak for yourself.

talk is cheap, when there are actual lawsuits, there will be something to really discuss.... everyone can say all the witty things they want back and forth but its just talk until theres an actual lawsuit.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

talk is cheap, when there are actual lawsuits, there will be something to really discuss.... everyone can say all the witty things they want back and forth but its just talk until theres an actual lawsuit.

Countless claims, even substantial ones, get resolved every day without an actual lawsuit. Do you genuinely not know that?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Countless claims, even substantial ones, get resolved every day without an actual lawsuit. Do you genuinely not know that?

I'm not convinced he's a lawyer. No one could be this clueless, even the shittiest slip and fall lawyer.

The average value of a trimmed card in this mess is probably $2000. Let's say it's $5000. Jake, do you think people are going to run to sue over that amount of money? Or will they try like hell to do anything they can to avoid paying a lawyer more money than the value of the card they're suing over? Even the guy with the trimmed PSA 10 Musial didn't sue immediately. He's clearly trying to get his money back without the need for costly, lengthy litigation.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm not convinced he's a lawyer. No one could be this clueless, even the shittiest slip and fall lawyer.

The average value of a trimmed card in this mess is probably $2000. Let's say it's $5000. Jake, do you think people are going to run to sue over that amount of money? Or will they try like hell to do anything they can to avoid paying a lawyer more money than the value of the card they're suing over? Even the guy with the trimmed PSA 10 Musial didn't sue immediately. He's clearly trying to get his money back without the need for costly, lengthy litigation.

Not to mention that most people don't live in California so they would have to contemplate bringing out of state litigation.

But I have a 2K card that's been identified as possibly trimmed and I'm REALLY pissed so I am going to find a lawyer who practices in Orange County, and pay him or her whatever it takes to file and pursue a lawsuit RIGHT NOW, even though it's premature because PSA hasn't reviewed the card yet or said no on their guarantee. I am sure the lawyer can get around that. And if I have to travel to California to testify at trial, so be it, damn it. That 2K card is THAT important to me.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not to mention that most people don't live in California so they would have to contemplate bringing out of state litigation.

But I have a 2K card that's been identified as possibly trimmed and I'm REALLY pissed so I am going to find a lawyer who practices in Orange County, and pay him or her whatever it takes to file and pursue a lawsuit RIGHT NOW, even though it's premature because PSA hasn't reviewed the card yet or said no on their guarantee. I am sure the lawyer can get around that. And if I have to travel to California to testify at trial, so be it, damn it. That 2K card is THAT important to me.

Yeah so the total people that are pissed off adds up to 2k...the guy with the 60k loss isnt pissed off. People in america never sue but why would they if they are willing to wait 5 years for review because as you said 'what choice to they have' or apparently everyone is being paid back on the guarantee...

why all this talk if everyone is satisfied..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm not convinced he's a lawyer. No one could be this clueless, even the shittiest slip and fall lawyer.

The average value of a trimmed card in this mess is probably $2000. Let's say it's $5000. Jake, do you think people are going to run to sue over that amount of money? Or will they try like hell to do anything they can to avoid paying a lawyer more money than the value of the card they're suing over? Even the guy with the trimmed PSA 10 Musial didn't sue immediately. He's clearly trying to get his money back without the need for costly, lengthy litigation.

Everyone will try to get their money back....people are arguing right here on this forum about whether certain cards are trimmed or not yet it appears everyone with a claim will get paid back exactly how they want. I would think there will be disagreements with some claims whether its whether the card should of been deemed trimmed or what the worth of the card is and who should pay it etc.

If you have 10 cards that are 5k each it adds up. I thought we are talking about 100s of cards.. BP oil after the spill said they will pay everyone what they owe yet there were still lawsuits.

I just saying that thus far everyone seems happy. I will wait 2 months from now to see if any lawsuits. I hope you at least agree that gives enough time for PSA to review the cards that are submitted. as Peter said 'what choice do they (buyers) have'

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Everyone will try to get their money back....people are arguing right here on this forum about whether certain cards are trimmed or not yet it appears everyone with a claim will get paid back exactly how they want. I would think there will be disagreements with some claims whether its whether the card should of been deemed trimmed or what the worth of the card is and who should pay it etc.

If you have 10 cards that are 5k each it adds up. I thought we are talking about 100s of cards.. BP oil after the spill said they will pay everyone what they owe yet there were still lawsuits.

I just saying that thus far everyone seems happy. I will wait 2 months from now to see if any lawsuits. I hope you at least agree that gives enough time for PSA to review the cards that are submitted. as Peter said 'what choice do they (buyers) have'

Jake you seem pretty happy, have you filed a lawsuit yet? Don't you have some expensive high grade PSA cards or did you sell all your cards?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Jake you seem pretty happy, have you filed a lawsuit yet? Don't you have some expensive high grade PSA cards or did you sell all your cards?

I dont have any altered cards, if i did, you know what i would be doing....

[darwinbulldog]

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[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I dont have any altered cards....

Best quote of the day. Thanks Jake.

How can you be so sure by the way? Just askin'.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Everyone will try to get their money back....people are arguing right here on this forum about whether certain cards are trimmed or not yet it appears everyone with a claim will get paid back exactly how they want. I would think there will be disagreements with some claims whether its whether the card should of been deemed trimmed or what the worth of the card is and who should pay it etc.

If you have 10 cards that are 5k each it adds up. I thought we are talking about 100s of cards.. BP oil after the spill said they will pay everyone what they owe yet there were still lawsuits.

I just saying that thus far everyone seems happy. I will wait 2 months from now to see if any lawsuits. I hope you at least agree that gives enough time for PSA to review the cards that are submitted. as Peter said 'what choice do they (buyers) have'

Jake, do you think ALL of the PWCC buyers of Gary Moser related cards have been notified that they may own an altered card? If not, do you think PWCC should notify them or should the buyers just have to figure it all out on their own? Do you think PWCC should release to the public a list of all cards connected to Moser?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by BengoughingForAwhile

Jake, do you think ALL of the PWCC buyers of Gary Moser related cards have been notified that they may own an altered card? If not, do you think PWCC should notify them or should the buyers just have to figure it all out on their own? Do you think PWCC should release to the public a list of all cards connected to Moser?

It doesnt matter about what they should do for everyone. I still wondering when just 1 'wronged' purchaser files a lawsuit and a lots of issues will be addressed in discovery.

However it appears thus far everyone is willing to wait months to have their cards reviewed that they bought for 10k but were sold months before for 3k as much lower graded card (and have before and after pictures of an alteration/trimming because

a) what choice do they have
b) they are already been reimbursed and everyone agrees what a fair price
c) not worth their time (out of state court) and costs involved/legal fees

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Countless claims, even substantial ones, get resolved every day without an actual lawsuit. Do you genuinely not know that?

right and if zero lawsuits then everyone is happy...seems like all of the at fault people are taking care of everything right?

[Leon]

How about if a board lawyer is representing any of the involved fraudulent parties? You don't need a lawsuit to take a retainer do you? A retainer would be considered work, right? I am not saying there are any representing anyone but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

talk is cheap, when there are actual lawsuits, there will be something to really discuss.... everyone can say all the witty things they want back and forth but its just talk until theres an actual lawsuit.

[Kenny Cole]

I can assure you that I, for one, am not. I sincerely hope that ALL the fraudsters are charged criminally, and I also hope they get their asses sued off civilly. PSA also needs to back up its warranty. I hope it gets its ass sued off too if it doesn't.

To Jake, despite your claims, sometimes it takes a while. I agree with Peter on that. You are allegedly a lawyer. I mean, seriously? Give me a break.

[Leon]

Something tells me each lawyer in this thread can't say the same thing.

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I can assure you that I, for one, am not. I sincerely hope that ALL the fraudsters are charged criminally, and I also hope they get their asses sued off civilly. PSA also needs to back up its warranty. I hope it gets its ass sued off too if it doesn't.

To Jake, despite your claims, sometimes it takes a while. I agree with Peter on that. You are allegedly a lawyer. I mean, seriously? Give me a break.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Leon

Something tells me each lawyer in this thread can't say the same thing.

+1. Unfortunate, if true.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I can assure you that I, for one, am not. I sincerely hope that ALL the fraudsters are charged criminally, and I also hope they get their asses sued off civilly. PSA also needs to back up its warranty. I hope it gets its ass sued off too if it doesn't.

To Jake, despite your claims, sometimes it takes a while. I agree with Peter on that. You are allegedly a lawyer. I mean, seriously? Give me a break.

Enough time has passed that if this was such a huge deal and there were victims everywhere a lawsuit would of been filed. Maybe down the line there will be some but apparently this issue isnt so bad .

Not all lawsuits take forever. Plenty are filed and settled very fast and quickly which avoids fees and costs. Lets not kid ourselves that most lawsuits go to trial

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

How about if a board lawyer is representing any of the involved fraudulent parties? You don't need a lawsuit to take a retainer do you? A retainer would be considered work, right? I am not saying there are any representing anyone but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Lawsuits are a whole different animal then some lawyer sending a letter.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Lawsuits are a whole different animal then some lawyer sending a letter.

How do you not understand what Leon is saying???

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jake is going to post the same thought as many times and in as many threads as he can. It doesn't matter what he's responding to.

NO LAWSUITS YET.
MUST NOT BE A BIG DEAL.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jake is going to post the same thought as many times and in as many threads as he can. It doesn't matter what he's responding to.

NO LAWSUITS YET.
MUST NOT BE A BIG DEAL.

Add that to the "just let it go" and the "as long as the cards value isn't affected there's no problem" people, it makes me wonder if the Doctor/PSA supporters are involved or just don't care about anything but money.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by steve B

Add that to the "just let it go" and the "as long as the cards value isn't affected there's no problem" people, it makes me wonder if the Doctor/PSA supporters are involved or just don't care about anything but money.

They only care about money...it’s sad....it’s been a Industry for years.....
Hobby what’s that anymore .....Oy vey

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jake is going to post the same thought as many times and in as many threads as he can. It doesn't matter what he's responding to.

NO LAWSUITS YET.
MUST NOT BE A BIG DEAL.

and you will will keep citing certain card sale and point over and over how wrong it is yet no 'victims' are filing lawsuits..

There are terrible things that happen in which lawsuits are filed, and there are terrible things that happen to a lesser degree in which lawsuits are not filed

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jake is going to post the same thought as many times and in as many threads as he can. It doesn't matter what he's responding to.

NO LAWSUITS YET.
MUST NOT BE A BIG DEAL.

I am guessing he is looking for work or he found a client and has no idea what to do. So he is hoping someone on here can help out a fellow lawyer who is lost. Why else would someone post the same thing over and over?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am guessing he is looking for work or he found a client and has no idea what to do. So he is hoping someone on here can help out a fellow lawyer who is lost. Why else would someone post the same thing over and over?

so you are guessing. Most of this topic is filled with people saying the same thing over and over and guessing. Maybe you are trying to get clients to refer to a lawyer, i just guessing. Now are are both guessing and saying things.

Now lets see if you guess again and and post the same thing over and over.