PWCC Statement on Recent Card Trimming Concerns

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

What does inside information have to do with whether it’s easy to short or not? And aside from that with what we have seen on this board and blowout over the past few weeks would you want to be a shareholder of this company?

If by easy you simply mean the process, then nothing, but I thought you were referring to the chances of success.

I wouldn't want anything to do with this stock in either direction at this point. I think the market impact of this stuff is very hard to predict.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If by easy you simply mean the process, then nothing, but I thought you were referring to the chances of success.

I wouldn't want anything to do with this stock in either direction at this point. I think the market impact of this stuff is very hard to predict.

Now I understand what you meant. And as for where the stock goes I guess it depends on how much liability and litigation comes out of this. Probably tough to tell now but I know if I thought I had an affected card I would not let them get away without honoring their guarantee.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

Now I understand what you meant. And as for where the stock goes I guess it depends on how much liability and litigation comes out of this. Probably tough to tell now but I know if I thought I had an affected card I would not let them get away without honoring their guarantee.

We'll see. Companies are very adept at settling lawsuits cheaply enough not to impact the stock price, particularly with plaintiffs' lawyers who want a payday more than anything and settle for pennies on the dollar. Most litigation I do on the defense side, if we don't win at the motion stage, ends up this way.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We'll see. Companies are very adept at settling lawsuits cheaply enough not to impact the stock price, particularly with plaintiffs' lawyers who want a payday more than anything and settle for pennies on the dollar. Most litigation I do on the defense side, if we don't win at the motion stage, ends up this way.

It is not my area of expertise but it would seem that CLCT might carry some form of errors and omissions insurance. Just doing a quick Google search it can cover professional advice and it would seem that a graded altered card could fall under inaccurate advice.

At the end of the quarter in March CLCT had 15.7 million in cash and is on pace to earn roughly 9.6 million in their current fiscal year. I keep reading posts about the 832k reserve fund and people are forgetting this is just a bad debt reserve and should they have to payout more they have plenty of other resources to stay a float.

I get the feeling that it isn't going to be a slam dunk for card buyers to be made whole and especially since you sign a submission form that states you won't submit trimmed cards. I could see them going hard after this Moser guy and he clearly has some resources one would think after the trail of successful flips he has made.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

It is not my area of expertise but it would seem that CLCT might carry some form of errors and omissions insurance. Just doing a quick Google search it can cover professional advice and it would seem that a graded altered card could fall under inaccurate advice.

At the end of the quarter in March CLCT had 15.7 million in cash and is on pace to earn roughly 9.6 million in their current fiscal year. I keep reading posts about the 832k reserve fund and people are forgetting this is just a bad debt reserve and should they have to payout more they have plenty of other resources to stay a float.

I get the feeling that it isn't going to be a slam dunk for card buyers to be made whole and especially since you sign a submission form that states you won't submit trimmed cards. I could see them going hard after this Moser guy and he clearly has some resources one would think after the trail of successful flips he has made.

They may be able to pay and not go insolvent but a big hit to their cash will mean a hit to their valuation, no?

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They may be able to pay and not go insolvent but a big hit to their cash will mean a hit to their valuation, no?

The market cap is 175 million at the current share price. Obviously it wouldn't be a good thing for the company if they had to pay out millions of dollars but how much of an impact I think is unknown. Their cash since March of 18 was up 6.2 million and the stock was just over $16 then. I could easily be wrong but I don't see them writing checks for six million dollars on this. If so the stock probably retreats some but what will be more telling is what happens to submission revenue. I don't have a breakdown of how much revenue they get from higher priced submissions but if that were to slow significantly because they are getting less submissions that would probably be something that would have a bigger impact on the stock. I can't under any circumstances see this slowing down gaming submissions or lower priced cards like most collectors submit. The other issue is if they deem cards trimmed they keep the fee. I will go through their 10Q and see if I can find the average card submission price. I think if I recall it is under $10. I also think people forget that the coin business is over 60% of revenue and that has struggled in recent years and has had a big impact on the stock. I totally get that many hate grading but this isn't a dooms day scenario under any circumstances in my view.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The market cap is 175 million at the current share price. Obviously it wouldn't be a good thing for the company if they had to pay out millions of dollars but how much of an impact I think is unknown. Their cash since March of 18 was up 6.2 million and the stock was just over $16 then. I could easily be wrong but I don't see them writing checks for six million dollars on this. If so the stock probably retreats some but what will be more telling is what happens to submission revenue. I don't have a breakdown of how much revenue they get from higher priced submissions but if that were to slow significantly because they are getting less submissions that would probably be something that would have a bigger impact on the stock. I can't under any circumstances see this slowing down gaming submissions or lower priced cards like most collectors submit. The other issue is if they deem cards trimmed they keep the fee. I will go through their 10Q and see if I can find the average card submission price. I think if I recall it is under $10. I also think people forget that the coin business is over 60% of revenue and that has struggled in recent years and has had a big impact on the stock. I totally get that many hate grading but this isn't a dooms day scenario under any circumstances in my view.

That's a reasonable analysis but then why is Orlando/Sloan's first statement on the matter an obvious effort to protect against the possibility of a big payout by trying to minimize the scope of the problem, and telling people to go to their sellers with a problem and not PSA? Unless of course the seller is "unknown." Right, I buy lots of cards from unknown people on street corners. Why not just own up to the issue, do their best to help defrauded collectors, institute some positive changes, and move forward? If they truly can afford to deal with this, their instincts are very poor in my opinion.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

It is not my area of expertise but it would seem that CLCT might carry some form of errors and omissions insurance. Just doing a quick Google search it can cover professional advice and it would seem that a graded altered card could fall under inaccurate advice.

At the end of the quarter in March CLCT had 15.7 million in cash and is on pace to earn roughly 9.6 million in their current fiscal year. I keep reading posts about the 832k reserve fund and people are forgetting this is just a bad debt reserve and should they have to payout more they have plenty of other resources to stay a float.

I get the feeling that it isn't going to be a slam dunk for card buyers to be made whole and especially since you sign a submission form that states you won't submit trimmed cards. I could see them going hard after this Moser guy and he clearly has some resources one would think after the trail of successful flips he has made.

I know these threads are long but the info is largely all there at this point. In their recent stockholders statement they say that they have no insurance that would cover their guarantee.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I know these threads are long but the info is largely all there at this point. In their recent stockholders statement they say that they have no insurance that would cover their guarantee.

Yes it's in the risk factors section of the K.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes it's in the risk factors section of the K.

Reading through it now and will find it and post it.

This is interesting.


We do not provide a warranty with respect to our opinions regarding the authenticity or quality of autographs or memorabilia.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I know these threads are long but the info is largely all there at this point. In their recent stockholders statement they say that they have no insurance that would cover their guarantee.

Here it is


We could suffer losses on authentication and grading warranties.
In general, we issue an authenticity or grading warranty for coins and trading cards that we authenticate or grade. Those warranties provide that:
■ if a coin or trading card that we authenticated and sealed in one of our tamper-evident plastic holders are later determined by us not to have been genuine, we
would have to purchase the collectible at its current market value had it been genuine; or
■ if a coin or trading card that we graded and sealed in one of our tamper-evident plastic holders later receives a lower grade upon resubmission to us for grading,
we would be obligated either to purchase the collectible at the market value at its original assigned grade or to pay the difference between that value as
compared to the value at the lower grade.
We have no insurance coverage for claims made under these warranties, and therefore we maintain reserves for such warranty claims based on historical experience.
However, there is no assurance that these warranty reserves will prove to be adequate, and as we expand our services in overseas markets, we may incur higher warranty
claims than we have experienced in the past. If our warranty reserves prove to be inadequate, our gross margin and operating results could be harmed. As a result, we monitor
the adequacy of our warranty reserves on an ongoing basis.