PWCC Statement on Recent Card Trimming Concerns

[Peter_Spaeth]

48 Leaf Jackie 32K gain.

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[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

48 Leaf Jackie 32K gain.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2827

Wonder if Brent advised the buyer what to bid in that one. Holy schnikes

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Wonder if Brent advised the buyer what to bid in that one. Holy schnikes

Looks way too white for a Leaf.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Man that whole concept just smells funny. Please send us the evidence so that we can TRY and pay you back and even though we have been completely untrustworthy to date, trust us to give the card to the authorities.

Or maybe give us the card back and we'll try and resell it so we can give you your money back without costing us anything???

[RollieFingers]

2nd qtr. 54-48 warriors....

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Man that whole concept just smells funny. Please send us the evidence so that we can TRY and pay you back and even though we have been completely untrustworthy to date, trust us to give the card to the authorities.

Or maybe give us the card back and we'll try and resell it so we can give you your money back without costing us anything???

If not too much time has passed, I would definitely pursue your refunds via either eBay or PayPal (NOT PWCC). Both eBay and PayPal will refund you in full, and then they will collect the funds from PWCC. That way, you won't have to play the waiting game indefinitely, and won't have to worry about actually getting your refund. Ebay will take the headache out of it, and they'll collect the funds from PWCC after the fact.

As long as it's within the accepted time frame, why would anyone go the more difficult and problematic route? With all of its flaws, at least eBay has excellent Buyer Protection Policies.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by perezfan

As long as it's within the accepted time frame, why would anyone go the more difficult and problematic route? With all of its flaws, at least eBay has excellent Buyer Protection Policies.

I don't really think many people are going down the more problematic route if the card was a recent purchase. It is the people with Moser cards from a couple years ago that are over a barrel.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I don't really think many people are going down the the more problematic route if the card was a recent purchase. It is the people with Moser cards from a couple years ago that are over a barrel.

That's a shame for those unfortunate collectors... that's why I emphasized the "accepted" eBay time frame.

Hopefully PWCC and PSA will make good on their respective promises/guarantees, and make these victims whole again.

Best of luck to the hundreds pf people impacted!

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

48 Leaf Jackie 32K gain.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2827

That was originally a $9,000 card that Moser cracked out and doctored. So much for the claim on here that Moser would not have taken a chance by "conserving" the $3,000 Musial card. The risk/reward trade off is rather high when a one grade bump is worth $32K.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

That was originally a $9,000 card that Moser cracked out and doctored. So much for the claim on here that Moser would not have taken a chance by "conserving" the $3,000 Musial card. The risk/reward trade off is rather high when a one grade bump is worth $32K.

As long as you can afford to lose, which he clearly can, it's just a risk reward calculation for him. Anyone who thought he wouldn't crack out the Musial without some assurance of a bump from the inside doesn't understand the scale on which he operates, or the mindset.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As long as you can afford to lose, which he clearly can, it's just a risk reward calculation for him. Anyone who thought he wouldn't crack out the Musial without some assurance of a bump from the inside doesn't understand the scale on which he operates, or the mindset.

+1

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As long as you can afford to lose, which he clearly can, it's just a risk reward calculation for him. Anyone who thought he wouldn't crack out the Musial without some assurance of a bump from the inside doesn't understand the scale on which he operates, or the mindset.

I understand that everything that has been uncovered to this point isn't even a scratch on the tip of a very huge iceberg.

I don't understand the mind set of those that don't understand how shady the hobby is. My favorite part is how they think something could be going on but it doesn't affect them. I love the I collect this and the scammers stay away from it because there is no real $ in it.LOL dream on sucker. Scammers are selling $2 fake autographed cards up to the most expensive card in the hobby.

Lets not forget the morons who think their PSA card(s) are not affected because this is something new.LOL PSA has been a scam since the beginning. They 100% need to fail if this hobby is going to go forward and clean itself up.

I know my posts are not very popular on this forum but at least they are honest.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I understand that everything that has been uncovered to this point isn't even a scratch on the tip of a very huge iceberg.

I don't understand the mind set of those that don't understand how shady the hobby is. My favorite part is how they think something could be going on but it doesn't affect them. I love the I collect this and the scammers stay away from it because there is no real $ in it.LOL dream on sucker. Scammers are selling $2 fake autographed cards up to the most expensive card in the hobby.

Lets not forget the morons who think their PSA card(s) are not affected because this is something new.LOL PSA has been a scam since the beginning. They 100% need to fail if this hobby is going to go forward and clean itself up.

I know my posts are not very popular on this forum but at least they are honest.

Yeah, "it doesn't affect me" is certainly one of the more common defense mechanisms people employ. I am probably guilty of it myself.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah, "it doesn't affect me" is certainly one of the more common defense mechanisms people employ. I am probably guilty of it myself.

This is how it works in my experience.

Me: Sorry to tell you but that card is altered.

Other: I can see how it could be altered but mine is NOT.

Me: Your card is altered and I explain how.

Other: Now this gets 3 different responses.
1) Least common, That sucks I now have a altered card in my collection.
2) Most common, I see the card listed as a rare error for sale within a few days by the person I was trying to help.
3) Have the card owner call me names and tell me how important they are in the hobby and how stupid I am. Then they list it as a rare error card for sale.

I won't out names but I have had #s 2 and 3 happen on this forum from some very respected members.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I understand that everything that has been uncovered to this point isn't even a scratch on the tip of a very huge iceberg.



I don't understand the mind set of those that don't understand how shady the hobby is. My favorite part is how they think something could be going on but it doesn't affect them. I love the I collect this and the scammers stay away from it because there is no real $ in it.LOL dream on sucker. Scammers are selling $2 fake autographed cards up to the most expensive card in the hobby.



Lets not forget the morons who think their PSA card(s) are not affected because this is something new.LOL PSA has been a scam since the beginning. They 100% need to fail if this hobby is going to go forward and clean itself up.



I know my posts are not very popular on this forum but at least they are honest.

+1, especially on the PSA part.

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[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I understand that everything that has been uncovered to this point isn't even a scratch on the tip of a very huge iceberg.

I don't understand the mind set of those that don't understand how shady the hobby is. My favorite part is how they think something could be going on but it doesn't affect them. I love the I collect this and the scammers stay away from it because there is no real $ in it.LOL dream on sucker. Scammers are selling $2 fake autographed cards up to the most expensive card in the hobby.

Lets not forget the morons who think their PSA card(s) are not affected because this is something new.LOL PSA has been a scam since the beginning. They 100% need to fail if this hobby is going to go forward and clean itself up.

I know my posts are not very popular on this forum but at least they are honest.

You are absolutely correct. Some people will go into Car analogies instead of just opening their eyes and see the nose in front of their face.

I hope PSA goes bankrupt much like I hoped GM would go bankrupt back in 1982 when My Trans Am was a lemon. I never purchased another GM piece of S***. My dream came true many years later but then the government inexplicably bailed them out. Maybe PSA will get bailed out by the Government?

There's your car analogy for the day car guys, enjoy....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Meanwhile CLCT stock has recovered and then some from the drop the other day. Not so easy to short stock as some folks seem to think.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Meanwhile CLCT stock has recovered and then some from the drop the other day. Not so easy to short stock as some folks seem to think.

It's very easy to short and is up today on 10K shares.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't understand the mind set of those that don't understand how shady the hobby is.

I'm starting to think you're like Mike O'Keeffe and just hate cards.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm starting to think you're like Mike O'Keeffe and just hate cards.

I have no idea who Mike O'Keefe is but I love cards. I am always buying, selling, and trading cards with some excellent people.

I just really hate the shady side of the hobby.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have no idea who Mike O'Keefe is.......

Hey Ben hope you are doing well. I am sure if you go back a few years you would remember O'Keefe.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I just really hate the shady side of the hobby.

Wherever there is money to be made, there will be a shady side.