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Again, if they refuse to, a class action suit can be filed by all the owners of these cards (in absentia). It's not like the lawyers know who all the asbestos victims are in advance.
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You're killing me. I already broke one rib laughing. I will spare the forum my thoughts on whether the Rule 23 requirements could be met in such a suit.
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Pfft. If Rule 23 doesn't work, try Rule 24. Try all the damn rules. You're a lawyer.
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If I do that I might end up at Rule 11.
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PSA wont dare. Can you imagine the publicity hit theyd take if they tried to dismiss such a suit without rectifying their incompetence? Plus youd become not only a well-reasoned lawyer (congrats) but also one who does more to fight hobby fraud than 99% of the rest of us.
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It is truly inspiring to see those with such lofty moral values posting on the merits of morality and criminality. And such well reasoned responses when they don't text.
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One of the cards from the list is currently being resold via PWCC:
40927085 1909-11 T206 Hughie Jennings BOTH HANDS, AMERICAN BEAUTY PSA 6.5 EXMT+ (PWCC) 7/8/2018 352392001729 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T20...h&LH_Auction=1 Anybody here have the ability to find out who one the below auction: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1340023 Matt Bojorquez |
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Wait for it..... whitman111
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Hey Matt, can you post a link that proves the T206 Jennings AB 460 has been altered? Once confirmed, I think we should all email PWCC individually, stating that the card is altered and also start a thread on the main board. Lets see how PWCC handles the info and the many requests.
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https://forums.collectors.com/discus...ard-collection
Well, this thread didn't last long on the PSA board. Here's a capture in case the thread goes poof. Quote:
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LOL I am surprised it's still up there too.
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Pretty card for the grade. Shows like an EX+ example with a light vertical back crease downgrading. Part of an impressive run of ever popular T206 White Borders on the auction block. In total well over 500 examples are displayed, which represents the majority of an entire set. One of nearly 20,000 cards, lots, and sets up for bid in our 7th Auction of 2016. Click on the link above to view the other PWCC auction lots. See the second sentence from the PWCC desciption of the PSA 4 Jennings above. Now see the current description of the PSA 6.5: Marvelous T206 American Beauty Jennings on the market this month. This card is beautifully preserved with smooth edges, outstanding centering and four sharp corners. Boasts fantastic surfaces with bright color and gorgeous clarity. The single finest example in existence. Deserving of serious attention. One of over 17,000 cards, lots, and sets up for bid in our 6th Auction of 2019. Click on the link above to view the other PWCC auction lots. Thread: Cross posting list of potentially bad cards Reply to Thread |
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The list, by the way, is going to be updated soon I have heard, with 20+ new subs.
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If you have bought expensive cards from PWCC you really need to review this list if you care.
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I believe that should read. If you bought cards from PWCC.
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Oh, ****. I have a card on that list. It is an expensive card to me.
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interesting
low grade and lower value N28's submitted and graded
followed on a later sub by: 27898967 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Mike 'King' Kelly PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC) 27898968 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Mike King Kelly PSA 5.5 EX+ (PWCC) 27898969 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Charles Comiskey PSA 5 EX (PWCC) 27898970 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter John Clarkson PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC) 27898971 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Cap Anson PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC) 27898972 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Cap Anson PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC) 27898973 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter John Clarkson PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC 27898974 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Miss Annie Oakley RIFLE SHOOTER PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC) testing first? |
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Same card?
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I honestly don't know? My Old Tom has two visible spots to the right of his head. The card you showed don't seem to have them, but I admit that I suck at being able to spot the stuff that the investigators over on Blowout can find.
Edit: I see another poster had agreed with you. You may indeed be correct.
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Even before I pulled out my card to look at the cert. number, my heart sank as soon as a I saw Old Tom Morris's name listed. I "knew" the cert numbers were going to match.
I paid $757 for that card. It is the second most expensive card I own. Most of my cards are in the $300-500 range. Nearly my entire collection are non-sports cards or cards outside the big four sports. I wasn't naive enough to think that fraud only occurs in five- or six-figure cards or big four sports cards. But it does suck that even relatively inexpensive cards outside the mainstream were targeted.
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The patch in the right border looked the same but I am no forensic expert.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T20...8&LH_Auction=1 Anybody able to find a back scan of this card?: I found it, just had to click the right arrow https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...ed-background/ Matt Bojorquez Last edited by mattbojo; 06-01-2019 at 10:27 PM. |
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I see what you are referring to now. I am not a VCP member right now (I have been a member in 30-day increments in the past). Could you tell me what that card sold for as a PSA 2 and when was that?
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Gary Moser bought it originally.
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Sorry to say it, but I think it's a match. The right border is one of a couple things I see that makes me believe it's the same card. HOWEVER - I don't think it's been trimmed. The corners are still rounded, borders don't seem any shorter to me. I do think it's been cleaned, but possible that's all. If it were me, I'd keep this one. |
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Thank you.
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We need to be careful in this, IMHO. Here are scans of another 1952 Topps Look-N-See Chiang, with the same/similar markings as the two linked to above. Additionally, on the card linked to from the Blowout Forum, the right edge is also different. The first one has a diamond-cut right edge, and the second one does not. That would mean that if they were the same card (and I am not convinced they are), the right edge was also trimmed. Steve
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THAT one really demonstrates PSA's lack of skill (or something else fishy...)
Not that the hundreds of others we've seen don't demonstrate the same thing on an equal or lesser level. Where/when/how will this end? |
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I think it's genuinely a fluid situation right now and we don't know. The cynic in me says the people spending the big money keep right on glibly spending it, maybe a couple of players face some criminal and or civil liability, and the train gets back on track and rolls on. As my new signature says...
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