Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2416

Jesus. The Generalissimo had some haircut.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jesus. The Generalissimo had some haircut.

I think he was cut down to just a General.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2416

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jesus. The Generalissimo had some haircut.

We need to be careful in this, IMHO.

Here are scans of another 1952 Topps Look-N-See Chiang, with the same/similar markings as the two linked to above.





Additionally, on the card linked to from the Blowout Forum, the right edge is also different. The first one has a diamond-cut right edge, and the second one does not. That would mean that if they were the same card (and I am not convinced they are), the right edge was also trimmed.

Steve

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2442

[perezfan]

THAT one really demonstrates PSA's lack of skill (or something else fishy...)

Not that the hundreds of others we've seen don't demonstrate the same thing on an equal or lesser level. Where/when/how will this end?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

THAT one really demonstrates PSA's lack of skill (or something else fishy...)

Not that the hundreds of others we've seen don't demonstrate the same thing on an equal or lesser level. Where/when/how will this end?

I think it's genuinely a fluid situation right now and we don't know. The cynic in me says the people spending the big money keep right on glibly spending it, maybe a couple of players face some criminal and or civil liability, and the train gets back on track and rolls on. As my new signature says...

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2442

Gunk removal to me is a really gray area. I've done it once where it worked out, and once where it didn't - T206 I bought because it looked great but had a LOT of greasy soot on the back. Which wasn't really coming off without going way beyond what seemed "right"

It does seem to say a lot that PSA "missed" paper loss on a 6

[steve B]

The description on the Morris is really minimal.

"One of over 15,000 cards, lots, and sets up for bid in our 6th Auction of 2016. Click on the link above to view the other PWCC auction lots."

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1316003

It's a strange case, I believe they're the same card.
But the new scan shows some surface specks the old scan doesn't.
Maybe a difference between running the scanner with speck removal or not?
The other things I notice are the mark/damage mid right, and the upper left corner.
I can't tell from the scans exactly what's going on there.
It's possible the bit on the right is either paper loss, or nearly paper loss where there's a flap folded over.
The upper right corner looks like it had a tiny crease, or layering that folded over.

If they're folded over layering, folding them back in place would be a somewhat gray area. PSA has done it (see the PSA 8 71 Topps on the postwar side) If the folded over bits looked like leaving them alone would make them fall off, I would probably fold them back into place. (Risky, if they're that bad, folding them back in place can make them come off. )
If they're rebuilt paper loss and a rebuilt corner that's not good.

If it was mine, I'd print the earlier scan, write up what I think was done and just keep that together with the card.
Unless you can get a decent return and find another.

[KingFisk]

I skated for a few days without any, but now have had two PWCC purchases show up on Captain Spaulding's list. Both were low grade Southern Leaguers. I couldn't find any Whitman111 prior purchases of those cards on VCP to do my own detective work, and they aren't obviously worked on (if at all), but it still sucks. I have no plans to sell, but there will always be a taint on them as they sit in my collection. No doubt there are more.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This outed sub seemed right up the Board's alley so posting it for reference if anyone wants to check their cards.

27898937 1910 E98 Set Of 30 Honus Wagner BLUE PSA 2.5 GD+ (PWCC)
27898938 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel Ty Cobb PSA 2 GD (PWCC)
27898939 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel Christy Mathewson PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
27898940 1911 D304 General Baking Co. Ty Cobb PSA 1.5 FR (PWCC)
27898941 1909 E90-1 American Caramel Cy Young BOSTON PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898942
27898943 1895 N300 Mayo's Cut Plug Cap Anson PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
27898944 1909-11 T206 Clark Griffith PORTRAIT PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898945 1909-11 T206 Addie Joss PITCHING, SOVEREIGN PSA 3.5 VG+ (PWCC)
27898946
27898947 1909-11 T206 Johnny Evers WITH BAT, CHICAGO ON SHIRT PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
27898948
27898949 1909-11 T206 Frank Chance RED PORTRAIT PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898950 1909-11 T206 Iron Man McGinnity PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898951 1909-11 T206 Cy Young CLEVELAND, BARE HAND SHOWS PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898952 1909-11 T206 Nap Lajoie PORTRAIT PSA 1 PR (PWCC)
27898953 1909-11 T206 Rube Waddell PORTRAIT PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898954 1909-11 T206 Bill Dahlen BROOKLYN PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
27898955 1909-11 T206 Addie Joss PITCHING, TOLSTOI PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
27898956 1909-11 T206 Walter Johnson PORTRAIT PSA 2 GD (PWCC)
27898957 1909-11 T206 Cy Young BARE HAND SHOWS PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898958 1909-11 T206 Ty Cobb BAT OFF SHOULDER, SC FACTORY 42 PSA 2 GD (PWCC)
27898959 1909-11 T206 Ty Cobb RED PORTRAIT, POLAR BEAR PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898960 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
27898961 1909-11 T206 Ty Cobb BAT ON SHOULDER PSA 2.5 GD+ (PWCC)
27898962 1909-11 T206 Bill O'Hara ST. LOUIS, POLAR BEAR PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898963 1909-11 T206 Ray Demmitt ST. LOUIS, POLAR BEAR PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898964 1909-11 T206 Ty Cobb GREEN PORTRAIT PSA 3 VG (PWCC)
27898965 1888 N162 Goodwin Champions Fred 'Sure Shot' Dunlap PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
27898966 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
27898967 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Mike 'King' Kelly PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898968 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Mike King Kelly PSA 5.5 EX+ (PWCC)
27898969 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Charles Comiskey PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
27898970 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter John Clarkson PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
27898971 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Cap Anson PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898972 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Cap Anson PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898973 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter John Clarkson PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC
27898974 1888 N28 Allen & Ginter Miss Annie Oakley RIFLE SHOOTER PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
27898975 1912 T227 Series Of Champions Ty Cobb PSA 3.5 VG+ (PWCC)
27898976 1912 T227 Series Of Champions Ty Cobb PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898977 1915 Cracker Jack Frank 'Home Run' Baker #2 PSA 3 VG (PWCC)
27898978 1914 Cracker Jack George Stovall #11 PSA 6.5 EXMT+ (PWCC)
27898979 1921 E121 American Caramel Series Of 80 Ty Cobb MGR. ON FRONT PSA 3 VG (PWCC)
27898980 1922 E121 American Caramel Series Of 120 Babe Ruth HOLDING BALL PSA 2 GD (PWCC)
27898981 1921 E121 American Caramel Series Of 80 Ty Cobb MGR. ON FRONT PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
27898982 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #149 PSA 3 VG (PWCC)
27898983 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
27898984 1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #160 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898985 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
27898986 1935 National Chicle Football Bronko Nagurski ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 3 VG (PWCC)
27898987 1934 Goudey Lou Gehrig #61 PSA 3 VG (PWCC)
27898988 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
27898989 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
27898990 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
27898991 1948 Bowman Warren Spahn SP ROOKIE RC #18 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
27898992 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #50 PSA 2 GD (PWCC)
27898993 1949 Bowman Satchell Paige ROOKIE RC #224 PSA 3.5 VG+ (PWCC)
27898994 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
27898995 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
27898996 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 2.5 GD+ (PWCC)
27898997 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
27898998 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 3 VG (PWCC)
27898999 1948 Leaf Honus Wagner #70 PSA 3 VG (PWCC)
27899000 1948 Leaf Warren Spahn ROOKIE RC #32 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
27899001 1948 Leaf Joe DiMaggio #1 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Steve D

We need to be careful in this, IMHO.

Here are scans of another 1952 Topps Look-N-See Chiang, with the same/similar markings as the two linked to above.





Additionally, on the card linked to from the Blowout Forum, the right edge is also different. The first one has a diamond-cut right edge, and the second one does not. That would mean that if they were the same card (and I am not convinced they are), the right edge was also trimmed.

Steve

Yeah, that one isn't as convincing as most of the others.
I'd need better scans, but I believe the registration is different. And the 7 seems to have marks on the right side above the globes that the 9 doesn't have. (could be recolored, but then why not do the ones at the top? )