Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

I am not on these boards very often as you all know. I have never even heard of Blowout before and the evidence is overwhelming. My question though and I could not find an answer anywhere is why are they going after PWCC and not PSA? Some of these cards are so obviously trimmed it looks like 1/8th of inch was taken off at least. Do the graders at PSA not even bother to measure cards? So why off with PWCC's head and not after PSA for letting so many of these blatantly doctored cards get graded? I don't even see any mention of PSA doing anything wrong...

You didn't look hard enough. There is debate whether it's complicity or incompetence, and some people even want to deflect ALL the blame to PSA, but nobody is giving them a pass as far as I know.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

You didn't look hard enough. There is debate whether it's complicity or incompetence, and some people even want to deflect ALL the blame to PSA, but nobody is giving them a pass as far as I know.

Seems to me all the pitchforks and torches are headed to PWCC

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Seems to me all the pitchforks and torches are headed to PWCC

Overt fraud is more interesting than probable negligence.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Overt fraud is more interesting than probable negligence.

So they are claiming that PWCC knew that the cards that got graded by PSA were in fact tainted? Seems like a stretch..

Sorry if it has been covered just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

So they are claiming that PWCC knew that the cards that got graded by PSA were in fact tainted? Seems like a stretch..

Sorry if it has been covered just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.

It's been covered ad nauseum, and it's not a stretch at all given what's been uncovered, there's no shortcut for reading it.

[Bigdaddy]

Billy Martin, July 24, 1978, speaking about George and Reggie:

"One's a born liar, the other's convicted"

As relevant today as it was then??

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

So they are claiming that PWCC knew that the cards that got graded by PSA were in fact tainted? Seems like a stretch..

Sorry if it has been covered just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.

It's a lot to digest Bobby, I know. I am seeing the same thing. The detectives over there are uncovering MASSIVE amounts of cards that have been doctored. To the degree that I am totally dumbfounded and sickened at the amount of deception that one person in particular has bestowed upon us.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

It's a lot to digest Bobby, I know. I am seeing the same thing. The detectives over there are uncovering MASSIVE amounts of cards that have been doctored. To the degree that I am totally dumbfounded and sickened at the amount of deception that one person in particular has bestowed upon us.

Cliffnotes version: Card doctor buys cards from PWCC, doctors them, PWCC submits them for him raw, then sells them in higher slabs. Over and over and over again, and they're just starting over there.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Cliffnotes version: Card doctor buys cards from PWCC, doctors them, PWCC submits them for him raw, then sells them in higher slabs. Over and over and over again, and they're just starting over there.

I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Seems to me all the pitchforks and torches are headed to PWCC

He's the guy that is spinning cards in and out of the holders by having his buddies bidding HIGH HIGH HIGH on his cards or not and then trimming the S*** out of them soaking them spooning, stretching and dipping in chemicals. Then he turns them all in to PSA for them to grade and PSA is most likely giving him preferential treatment or taking money or completely incompetent, which is possible. AND THEY ARE making millions conserving cards. FOR a LONG LONG TIME. That's why Bobby.

Did Brent Mastro buy your site and shut it down or did Brent Mastro complain to E-BAY that Moser's E-bay Identity was compromised and then shut you down?

THAT's WHY. He's the RING leader, your advertiser. IMHO.
When you lie in bed with snakes, sometimes things like this happen.

I appreciate your site and used it to research my 52 Mantle purchase. Thank you. It was not PSA. I hope you are not out of business now? That does suck. Sorry.