Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

You're obviously reading this thread, Bobby. What's the deal?

He's from Hawaii where it's still the middle of the night, let's give him a chance.

[ullmandds]

Bobby...if you need some help...I know some people!

[frankbmd]

Why not just just have separate price guides for conserved, restored and trimmed cards in addition to the few cards that are original and not altered. Perhaps the last category (original and not altered) would see a price bump as a consequence.

Old school collectors would be happy, Martin would be happy, Brent would be happy. Kumbaya indeed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Someone's trimming Lord,
Kumbaya
Altered, not restored,
Kumbaya
For a big reward,
Kumbaya
Oh, Lord
Kumbaya

[perezfan]

A 1952 Berk Ross Mantle was posted on BO early this morning, The amount of cardboard left on the cutting room floor (from the bottom border) is astonishing. Yet it got by PSA again, garnering a grade of 7. How PSA found this card to measure up is astounding. Any novice with a ruler would catch it.

I cannot copy/paste on this device, but perhaps someone here can. They could not confirm this one came from Moser, but it's likely that it did. Just another shameful PWCC offering and PSA "mistake".

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1973

[calvindog]

That is definitely not good for the hobby.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1973

Wow that one is a major doozie. Or is it doozy? Either way wow.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Bobby...if you need some help...I know some people!

Nice post Pete, let's change things up a little here.... What are the guesses of Beth's bra size? And yes, I know the answer.....

[MULLINS5]

I reached out to the Superman 1940 68 PSA 8 owner and he is not happy.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I reached out to the Superman 1940 68 PSA 8 owner and he is not happy.

Sounds like he needs a lawyer to go after Brent, Moser and PSA.

[MULLINS5]

PWCC has a Yelp page.....

[joshuanip]

Is the majority of these cards non-vintage?

Took a quick scan of the cards and noted they were all modern except for the handful of them.... And I bid on that Mays too!

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

Is the majority of these cards non-vintage?

Took a quick scan of the cards and noted they were all modern except for the handful of them.... And I bid on that Mays too!

I would say almost all of the Moser cards have been vintage, anywhere from Goudeys, t206s, t227s, and lots of 48 leaf, vintage topps (1962 PSA 8 Mantle and Mays Bowman rookies) etc... also hockey, Maurice Richard and others... and vintage basketball such as the Bill Russell rookie...then even non sports but still Vintage like the Superman mentioned above. They appear to have been trimmed, colored, washed, etc etc...

Then yes there are other cards such as Mike Trout rookies, and basketball rookies of modern players that have been trimmed as well. Mostly by BuyNiceCards and SSI...and that guy Robert Block... many sold through PWCC but others also sold via other venues.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Sounds like he needs a lawyer to go after Brent, Moser and PSA.

A well reasoned one?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I reached out to the Superman 1940 68 PSA 8 owner and he is not happy.

Patrick.....that is horrible....the really sad thing about all this?? No one knows HOW DEEP this chasm actually is!!! These cards being exposed might only be the tip of the iceberg!!

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

I am not on these boards very often as you all know. I have never even heard of Blowout before and the evidence is overwhelming. My question though and I could not find an answer anywhere is why are they going after PWCC and not PSA? Some of these cards are so obviously trimmed it looks like 1/8th of inch was taken off at least. Do the graders at PSA not even bother to measure cards? So why off with PWCC's head and not after PSA for letting so many of these blatantly doctored cards get graded? I don't even see any mention of PSA doing anything wrong...

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Seems to me all the pitchforks and torches are headed to PWCC

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

So they are claiming that PWCC knew that the cards that got graded by PSA were in fact tainted? Seems like a stretch..

Sorry if it has been covered just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.

These were such pathetic and obvious attempts to stick up for PWCC. No one’s giving PSA a pass. Your boy Brent could be in deep doo-doo, regardless of PSA.

[perezfan]

I have absolutely no affinity for PWCC. Absolutely despise the deception and what they are doing.

But I also feel that PSA is the bigger evil here. Their cancer is further-reaching and infinitely more pervasive. Once those tainted cards are slabbed in PSA Holders, they can be sold ANYWHERE. The hobby is now infected, much like an HIV virus... you can’t even begin to keep track of where all the bad cards will end up after being re-sold, traded, consigned, or passed down to next of kin.

Hopefully both parties will go the way of Mastro, Legendary and Rogers with this scandal. And I do agree with those who have stated that PWCC is getting the brunt of the anger on a disproportionate basis. There are far more people with a vested interest in PSA than with PWCC. Unfortunately it’s just human nature to protect one’s “assets”.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by thenextlevel

These were such pathetic and obvious attempts to stick up for PWCC. No one’s giving PSA a pass. Your boy Brent could be in deep doo-doo, regardless of PSA.

Unlike forum boards were ads are basically 100% of their revenue. VCP main income comes from our membership not from advertisers. Advertising makes up less than 7% of our revenue. Our main interest has always been members first and only. I have from day one since starting VCP tried my best to be as neutral as humanly possible. I sold all of my collection so that there would be no reason for me to have any thing to gain by doing what we do. I have been contacted many times trying to get me to remove certain sales data from the website for people that I flat out denied. I have run VCP with integrity and honesty from the start. I am not a person to beat around the bush and I am not a person that is a bull shitter or liar. I pretty much say what is on my mind and straight to the point. This might hit a nerve with some people but that is just who I am. I don't like to be ripped off and I don't like seeing people in this hobby getting ripped off as well.