My exceptional PWCC pickup.

[Republicaninmass]

How would you feel when you do an ounce of research and see it was a clean up, pressed out PSA 1....

That had good eye appeal?

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

How would you feel when you do an ounce of research and see it was a clean up, pressed out PSA 1....

That had good eye appeal?

If that were the case I would feel like PSA should address my concerns.
To all the doubters I say this out of experience because I’ve seen it a lot. Auction houses almost always stand behind the TPG. All day everyday twice on mother’s day.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

How would you feel when you do an ounce of research and see it was a clean up, pressed out PSA 1....

That had good eye appeal?

Ted, let me ask you a question as well. What if you find out that one of your 1952 Topps autographed card were forged? Or god forbid many of them turn out to be forged.
Would you hold the original sellers responsible (because surely some of them probably knew) or the authenticator? I would mostly be upset by the TPG because they have a “sophisticated” multi million dollar operation authenticating. Can a TPG prove they truly have the tools and qualifications to be in this business?

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by felada

Is there a legitimate purpose to this thread other than the counter all the negative pwcc threads lately? Why couldn’t this pick up been posted in the pick up thread? Pwcc isn’t the only company with ‘quality’ cards. I get like three catalogs a month filled with them from auction companies.

David, no legitimate purpose other than to take a stance that there are Net54 members who do purchase from PWCC and are comfortable with it.
I’m willing to bet many members here just stay quiet about it because of the social justice warriors turned hobby police is in full force harassing anyone with differing opinions as if this were an Antifa rally.

If there is anything guaranteed in this world it is a good old internet tough guy. It goes back to the beginning of the internet.

[Republicaninmass]

If I had bought it from a seller who knowingly didnt disclose it, or had a past history of selling questionable cards, I certainly wouldn't post about my "exceptional experience "

As far as a refund, I'd go to the seller first, and let them argue with the TPG, and see who was willing to stand behind it.

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[rjackson44]

Think its a gorgeous card ,,congrats

[lowpopper]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Just my 2 cents - I think novice collectors hear the "Buy the Card - Not the Holder" schpiel over and over and over. I don't think that it sets in tho until much later down the "collecting" path after carefully studying many cards in hand. I know it took me a long time to get that thru my head.

I would suspect that many untrained eyes would automatically speculate this T206 as at least a 7 were it not already in a holder. My 1st glance at this card was a "wow" and then I automatically assumed "crease" because of the holder.

PWCC's target customer consists of way more than us on the boards and as such I don't think their "HE" designations (or whatever else) is necessarily such a bad thing.

Been saying the same thing. Most of the regular contributors to this forum
are skilled enough to operate without assistance....but they only make up
a small percentage of the collecting public. The rest of the wold may need
helping hand/eye.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Ted, let me ask you a question as well. What if you find out that one of your 1952 Topps autographed card were forged? Or god forbid many of them turn out to be forged.
Would you hold the original sellers responsible (because surely some of them probably knew) or the authenticator? I would mostly be upset by the TPG because they have a “sophisticated” multi million dollar operation authenticating. Can a TPG prove they truly have the tools and qualifications to be in this business?

While I understand you advocating going back to the TPG for responsibility. Do you really feel a company who is unintentionally failing is more culpable then one that is deliberately misleading customers?

That's a very gentle description of what appears to be going down.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

While I understand you advocating going back to the TPG for responsibility. Do you really feel a company who is unintentionally failing is more culpable then one that is deliberately misleading customers?

That's a very gentle description of what appears to be going down.

+1 — like don’t blame the criminals, blame the system that doesn’t catch them.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

David, no legitimate purpose other than to take a stance that there are Net54 members who do purchase from PWCC and are comfortable with it.
I’m willing to bet many members here just stay quiet about it because of the social justice warriors turned hobby police is in full force harassing anyone with differing opinions as if this were an Antifa rally.

If there is anything guaranteed in this world it is a good old internet tough guy. It goes back to the beginning of the internet.

There are definitely loads of internet tough guys on card forums.

I have had nothing but positive dealings with PWCC. Every transaction was first class.

People can pretend all they want but most of us simply can't not bid on cards in their auctions if we want to keep moving our collections forward. It is what it is. So much of the best material ends up there.

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by Scocs

So why is it only a 2.5?

A light surface wrinkle. PSA is going nuts downgrading due to any slight imperfections these days.

[Scocs]

Unless the surface wrinkle ain’t so little

[frankbmd]

Some surface wrinkles are more exceptional than others.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Some surface wrinkles are more exceptional than others.

Bingo! This ones got the variety that’s impossible to pickup on a scan or photo. Thank god for the sticker that told me so. thanks for the laughs Frank

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Bingo! This ones got the variety that’s impossible to pickup on a scan or photo. Thank god for the sticker that told me so. thanks for the laughs Frank

I sold this card recently. You could barely see the wrinkle in the scan, so I took a pic at an angle to show it properly. It can be done.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=267130

[oldjudge]

As far as I can recall, this is the only card that I have won in a PWCC auction. The first image is an EBay listing image. The second is an image I took when I received the card. Needless to say, the card was returned. I can live without PWCC.

[Peter_Spaeth]

resized Jay's second pic to show wrinkles

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

as far as i can recall, this is the only card that i have won in a pwcc auction. The first image is an ebay listing image. The second is an image i took when i received the card. Needless to say, the card was returned. I can live without pwcc.

lolol

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Looks like a classic candidate for crease removal, which is often temporary, and they can come back with a vengeance.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

As far as I can recall, this is the only card that I have won in a PWCC auction. The first image is an EBay listing image. The second is an image I took when I received the card. Needless to say, the card was returned. I can live without PWCC.

What was the card graded?

[Chicosbailbonds]

To the OP, that's a beautiful card, congrats. I'm not in the T-206 market, but when I see PWCC, there is that seed of doubt that exists in their items for me.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

As far as I can recall, this is the only card that I have won in a PWCC auction. The first image is an EBay listing image. The second is an image I took when I received the card. Needless to say, the card was returned. I can live without PWCC.

The good doctor must have been busy that week.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

The good doctor must have been busy that week.

I think in the case of Jay's card it was just that the scan did not really show the wrinkles or certainly the extent of them.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think in the case of Jay's card it was just that the scan did not really show the wrinkles or certainly the extent of them.

YES I KNOW...creative scanning instead. I like you go out of my way to show defects...but I rarely sell...not that that should matter!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think in the case of Jay's card it was just that the scan did not really show the wrinkles or certainly the extent of them.

Damn I need their scanner. Mine shows all the defects.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

YES I KNOW...creative scanning instead. I like you go out of my way to show defects...but I rarely sell...not that that should matter!

C'mon Pete, you can't expect a high-volume seller like PWCC to describe or accurately scan every obscure card like Jay's '33 Goudey Babe Ruth. That takes away from valuable sticker stickin' time.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Damn I need their scanner. Mine shows all the defects.

Stick it in the vault, and nobody will be the wiser

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the pit, without the pendulum?

Edit to add ->->->->

Is that a land of the lost reference?

[Goudey77]

I tried to scan and take quality photos from all angles. Ultimately unsuccessful in capturing the minor surface wrinkle.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

I tried to scan and take quality photos from all angles. Ultimately unsuccessful in capturing the minor surface wrinkle.

Martin, don't worry about it....Move on....This is your card, forget the piranhas....

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Martin, don't worry about it....Move on....This is your card, forget the piranhas....

Thanks Kevin! Appreciate the positivity.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Stick it in the vault, and nobody will be the wiser

You and Jeff are right on spot
....Why don't you give this guy a break?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't think any negative comments have been intended for Martin's card.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think any negative comments have been intended for Martin's card.

Fair enough Pete, but there is always someone that wants to bring an excited buyer down....Why?.... Bottom line is the card is graded, period....Maybe T3d 5h3rm@n can chime in.....Did I miss any letters or numbers??

[ZiggerZagger]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think any negative comments have been intended for Martin's card.

Indeed -- The conversation on this card been so successful, that I'm sure PWCC will continue to look for Nice "Rubes" wherever they can find them...

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Fair enough Pete, but there is always someone that wants to bring an excited buyer down....Why?.... Bottom line is the card is graded, period....Maybe T3d 5h3rm@n can chime in.....Did I miss any letters or numbers??

Slow day at the office? You've been trolling me for the last few hours. Spend some time with your family, of they can stand you

[Scocs]

Congrats on the purchase. My only question is what kind of wrinkle are we talking about that would drop a potential PSA 7-8 to a PSA 2.5?

[hcv123]

When I learned professional photography - I learned that a photographer "makes a great picture" NOT "takes a great picture".
Perhaps now that PWCC has learned professional card auctioning they have learned that great cards are made, not consigned?

That said - Nice pick up to the op and I have sent some non altered consignments for their June auction.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

Think its a gorgeous card ,,congrats

Appreciate the comment.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by Scocs

Congrats on the purchase. My only question is what kind of wrinkle are we talking about that would drop a potential PSA 7-8 to a PSA 2.5?

It’s a typical faint wrinkle that shows at an angle. But a card like this I’m not too worried about the 2.5 grade. I have the exceptional sticker on it which puts it in the top 15% for eye appeal and I’d welcome anyone to show me better.

Drum roll please....

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by hcv123

When I learned professional photography - I learned that a photographer "makes a great picture" NOT "takes a great picture".
Perhaps now that PWCC has learned professional card auctioning they have learned that great cards are made, not consigned?

That said - Nice pick up to the op and I have sent some non altered consignments for their June auction.

I agree Howard. PWCC does a great job of presenting the best product possible. It’s no surprise that they get a lot of quality consignments though. Including the business of seasoned veterans such as yourself. I hope you get some premium stickers on your consignments. Good luck!

[oldjudge]

Howard, I also hope you get some premium stickers.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

There are definitely loads of internet tough guys on card forums.

I have had nothing but positive dealings with PWCC. Every transaction was first class.

People can pretend all they want but most of us simply can't not bid on cards in their auctions if we want to keep moving our collections forward. It is what it is. So much of the best material ends up there.

Agreed on all points David. Thanks for chiming in.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Stick it in the vault, and nobody will be the wiser

Funny you should say that Ted I’m going to buy a spot in the PWCC vault to store my exceptional gems.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think any negative comments have been intended for Martin's card.

Thanks Peter.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by Chicosbailbonds

To the OP, that's a beautiful card, congrats. I'm not in the T-206 market, but when I see PWCC, there is that seed of doubt that exists in their items for me.

Appreciate the comment Joseph. I don’t think controversy is immune to all sellers. It’s a risk we all take as collectors right?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

Funny you should say that Ted I’m going to buy a spot in the PWCC vault to store my exceptional gems.

I hear that wrinkles cannot be detected in the vault regardless of the technology employed.

[Goudey77]

I even sent an email over to Jackie and Joe at PSA this afternoon to see if they’d consider adding an extra registry point for these PWCC premium labeled cards. Who knows this could be the future of our hobby.

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I hear that wrinkles cannot be detected in the vault regardless of the technology employed.

That’s what we have TPG’s for Frank!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

I even sent an email over to Jackie and Joe at PSA this afternoon to see if they’d consider adding an extra registry point for these PWCC premium labeled cards. Who knows this could be the future of our hobby.

Not being critical, just not understanding, what's the point? Or did I miss the sarcasm font?