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Old 11-28-2018, 07:14 AM
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Anyone else thinking "odds are it's a member, and now we've warned him?"
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:19 AM
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Anyone else thinking "odds are it's a member, and now we've warned him?"
Yes and maybe
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:19 AM
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will be caught....he/she left their stank all over ebay........

but who is to say there are not a few of them????


auto buyers beware,......JSA and SGC and PSA are clueless sometimes...

like I said, it is their "opinion"

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Old 11-28-2018, 07:36 AM
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I found one myself this morning:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ton-1734136080

https://huntauctions.com/phone/image...9&lot_num=1010
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:38 AM
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Another nice *and sad* catch all at once. That took a 20 dollar card and made it into a 1200 dollar card.....
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:44 AM
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Another nice *and sad* catch all at once. That took a 20 dollar card and made it into a 1200 dollar card.....
Given what I know about the pattern of signed T206 sales over the past 11 years, I feel a responsibility to track down as much info as I can, even if it diminishes my collection and discourages collectors from participating in the hobby. It needs to be done.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:06 AM
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great work all, very interesting to see/read this.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:09 AM
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I’m just pointing out a fact we can all see, but it seems whoever the forger is was submitting to SGC and JSA for the authentication. I haven’t seen a PSA/DNA one pop up yet...not that they aren’t out there to... I’m not a big autograph collector but this is definitely a bad look for those two companies and as I understand it JSA used to do the authentication work for SGC.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:29 AM
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I’m just pointing out a fact we can all see, but it seems whoever the forger is was submitting to SGC and JSA for the authentication. I haven’t seen a PSA/DNA one pop up yet...not that they aren’t out there to... I’m not a big autograph collector but this is definitely a bad look for those two companies and as I understand it JSA used to do the authentication work for SGC.
In fairness to SGC, they correctly rejected a JSA authenticated autograph. That rejection started all of this discovery in the first place.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:27 AM
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will be caught....he/she left their stank all over ebay........

but who is to say there are not a few of them????


auto buyers beware,......JSA and SGC and PSA are clueless sometimes...

like I said, it is their "opinion"

MRVSTER,

I once met Wayne Gretzky and his dad Walter in the lobby of the local Sheraton Hotel. Wayne signed his upper deck card VERY nicely on the front in Sharpie and I then asked Walter to sign the back as I thought that would be cool. He signed it very nicely I might add. I then thought, this would look nice in a PSA/DNA holder........they REJECTED it with no explanation. Charged me $25 plus shipping so maybe $40 altogether and I got the card back raw!?!?! I also provided them the exact date and time the card was signed by both. UGH!!!!!!!

Peace, Mike

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Old 11-28-2018, 08:39 AM
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I once met Wayne Gretzky and his dad Walter in the lobby of the local Sheraton Hotel. Wayne signed his upper deck card VERY nicely on the front in Sharpie and I then asked Walter to sign the back as I thought that would be cool. He signed it very nicely I might add. I then thought, this would look nice in a PSA/DNA holder........they REJECTED it with no explanation.
Did their website say they had exemplars of Wayne Gretzky's DAD's autograph to compare against? Sounds like you got too cute with it.
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:31 PM
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Did their website say they had exemplars of Wayne Gretzky's DAD's autograph to compare against? Sounds like you got too cute with it.
I've never been mistaken for cute.

Hahahahahha!

Peace, Mike
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:37 AM
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Anyone else thinking "odds are it's a member, and now we've warned him?"
I have learned the identity of a number of forgers over the years. In every case it was a person who had started as a collector and was known within the hobby.

Another pattern is forgers often sell fakes and use the proceeds to buy authentic material. It's how they launder the money.
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