Are UZIT cards as scarce as BROAD LEAF 460 cards ?

[RedsFan1941]

i wish we could hear from some old time t206 collectors who don't post on N54 who could share their lifelong experiences with Uzits and Broad Leaf 460's

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

What's wrong with the old time collectors with lifelong experience who do post???

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Well at least we agree on something Ted. I don't think the 262 number for
the Uzit's is accurate either. I took the actual numbers from the pop reports
because just like the Uzit's there are crossovers with the BL460's too and I
think % wise with two rare backs like these the number of crossovers
would be close.

…..and how many of the SGC's that were 1/1's do you think David Hall picked up
for his master set that are now in PSA holders but still in SGC's pop reports?

Pat

This is an excellent point. I can tell you that a good number of T206's I sold to David Hall for his master set were SGC graded. Of course,
he converted them to PSA. Furthermore, these SGC graded cards don't necessarily have to be 1/1's. The SGC graded cards (44) which I
sold him are permanently listed in both SGC and PSA Pop reports. Therefore, the exact same card is listed twice, resulting in mis-leading
data.



As many of you guys know, the BROAD LEAF 460 (35 subjects) were printed only in the 350/460 series.

The BROAD LEAF 350 subjects were printed in the 350-only series. So, no matter how PSA has "mixed up" their Pop report listings, a
knowledgeable T206 collector will not be confused.

Listed here are the subjects who appear with BL 350 and/or BL 460 backs.
Besides the 6 super-prints, the specific pose distinguishes whether it is a BL 350 or a BL 460...….

Bender
Chance...………………….......super-print
Chase (blue portrait)……..super-print
Chase (dark cap)……….…..super-print
Doolan
Downey
Evers...…………………………...super-print
Mathewson (dark cap)…...super-print
Snodgrass
Street
Sweeney

What concerns me are all those previous years (circa 1990's - early 2000's) which PSA didn't accurately account for the BL 460 cards.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

This is an excellent point. I can tell you that a good number of T206's I sold to David Hall for his master set were SGC graded. Of course,
he converted them to PSA. Furthermore, these SGC graded cards don't necessarily have to be 1/1's. The SGC graded cards (44) which I
sold him are permanently listed in both SGC and PSA Pop reports. Therefore, the exact same card is listed twice, resulting in mis-leading
data.



As many of you guys know, the BROAD LEAF 460 (35 subjects) were printed only in the 350/460 series.

The BROAD LEAF 350 subjects were printed in the 350-only series. So, no matter how PSA has "mixed up" their Pop report listings, a
knowledgeable T206 collector will not be confused.

Listed here are the subjects who appear with BL 350 and/or BL 460 backs.
Besides the 6 super-prints, the specific pose distinguishes whether it is a BL 350 or a BL 460...….

Bender
Chance...………………….......super-print
Chase (blue portrait)……..super-print
Chase (dark cap)……….…..super-print
Doolan
Downey
Evers...…………………………...super-print
Mathewson (dark cap)…...super-print
Snodgrass
Street
Sweeney

What concerns me are all those previous years (circa 1990's - early 2000's) which PSA didn't accurately account for the BL 460 cards.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Hey Luke

Do I thank you for copying my recent post ?


TED Z
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[Luke]

I don't think so? Not totally sure what you mean. To recap, I wrote a list of four players who have a BL460 and a BL350 confirmed. You corrected me by adding Evers and 6 other players. I wanted to correct both of us by adding Evers to the original list, since I had overlooked him the when I wrote my initial list, and by taking the other 6 players off the list since they don't have both a confirmed BL350 and BL460.

[mrvster]

I don't have concrete evidence yet......but I strongly believe the yellow/brown sc F #30 460 " no prints" (except the super prints) printer's scraps were printed concurrently with broadleaf 460....

they are "sister" sheets and have about the same population as bl 460 and same subjects printed at the same time frame

Ted , Chris, and myself have been working on this for a few years now

collage courtesy of C. brown

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by mrvster

I don't have concrete evidence yet......but I strongly believe the yellow/brown sc F #30 460 " no prints" (except the super prints) printer's scraps were printed concurrently with broadleaf 460....

they are "sister" sheets and have about the same population as bl 460 and same subjects printed at the same time frame

Ted , Chris, and myself have been working on this for a few years now

collage courtesy of C. brown

Thanks for posting this collage, Johnny V.....you're the man.


Your display adds credence to my theory of how ALC divided the 63 subjects into 2 groups. These cards comprise of the T206 subjects I refer to as Group A...………
Missing in Johnny's collage from this group are Dougherty and Rucker.

These 35 subjects were printed with both of these rare backs......BROAD LEAF 460 and red HINDU.


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Hey Johnny, will you be able to attend the Philly Show this weekend in Oaks (Friday - Sunday) ?


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[t206fix]

Originally Posted by mrvster

I don't have concrete evidence yet......but I strongly believe the yellow/brown sc F #30 460 " no prints" (except the super prints) printer's scraps were printed concurrently with broadleaf 460....

they are "sister" sheets and have about the same population as bl 460 and same subjects printed at the same time frame

Ted , Chris, and myself have been working on this for a few years now

collage courtesy of C. brown

Johnny, I've seen this pic many times and I've always wondered what the different sizes of cards mean. Why are some so large and others so small?

[Sean]

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Hey Johnny, I just want to add this Reulbach to your list of Brown- Yellow scraps.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

This is an excellent point. I can tell you that a good number of T206's I sold to David Hall for his master set were SGC graded. Of course,
he converted them to PSA. Furthermore, these SGC graded cards don't necessarily have to be 1/1's. The SGC graded cards (44) which I
sold him are permanently listed in both SGC and PSA Pop reports. Therefore, the exact same card is listed twice, resulting in mis-leading
data.



As many of you guys know, the BROAD LEAF 460 (35 subjects) were printed only in the 350/460 series.

The BROAD LEAF 350 subjects were printed in the 350-only series. So, no matter how PSA has "mixed up" their Pop report listings, a
knowledgeable T206 collector will not be confused.

Listed here are the subjects who appear with BL 350 and/or BL 460 backs.

Besides the 6 super-prints, the specific pose distinguishes whether it is a BL 350 or a BL 460...….

Bender
Chance...………………….......super-print
Chase (blue portrait)……..super-print
Chase (dark cap)……….…..super-print
Doolan
Downey
Evers...…………………………...super-print
Mathewson (dark cap)…...super-print
Snodgrass
Street
Sweeney

What concerns me are all those previous years (circa 1990's - early 2000's) which PSA didn't accurately account for the BL 460 cards.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Luke


I clearly noted "subjects who appear with BL 350 and/or BL 460 backs"

And yes, we know that Evers is the only super-print that is confirmed with both BROAD LEAF backs. We have known this fact since Art Martineau posted of it (circa 2008).


And yes, we know that there are two Sweeney guys....Bill is a 350-only series subject and Jeff is a 340/460 series subject.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[sb1]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

i wish we could hear from some old time t206 collectors who don't post on N54 who could share their lifelong experiences with Uzits and Broad Leaf 460's

Most of the "old-timers" did not care one bit about the back of the card, hence the writing, pasting in, etc. I have went thru a couple of T206 sets put together decades ago and neither had one a remotely scarce back. All that mattered was who was on the front and the condition did not usually matter either, they just filled the hole and seldom upgraded. Very unlike today.