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09-09-2018, 03:08 AM
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My experience is to be very careful when buying ungraded cards from Probstein. He has a 30 day return policy, which is great. But he doesn’t provide a very good description like PWCC does if it is a nice ungraded card. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 
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09-09-2018, 04:32 AM
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Again, all of this difference of opinion shoes the value of third party graders...man all of the returns that would happen before them on disagreements on 'EX' etc..
however, isn't a PSA 6 (st) still considered 'EX' So a PSA 4 with no qualifier can still be the same as PSA 6 'EX' with non mentioned qualifier when selling a raw card....so isn't in fact any EX card with a qualifier still considered an EX? I have not seen anyone ever say their raw card is a 'EX-st-mk' etc...they just say EX... They just say look at the pictures etc and dont mention an 'EX with qualifier, and thats when i email them during the auction to say anything up with the card as i cant tell by the pictures... Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 09-09-2018 at 04:33 AM.
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09-09-2018, 04:35 AM
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FWIW it looks like Beckett gave the Wilson a 4 in a raw review before
it was "cleaned up" a little. Wilson Beckett 4.jpg Wilson Goudey.jpgWilson Beckett Goudey.jpg Wilson Goudey Back.jpgWilson Beckett Goudey Back.jpg Wilson Goudey - Pair.jpg Wilson Goudey Back - Copy.jpg
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09-09-2018, 11:44 AM
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Oh wow! How do you know this/how did you find that out? I mean that's definitely the card.
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09-09-2018, 12:11 PM
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Can someone else comment on the Tris Speaker? The seller was bbcemporium and it was part of what they called the "Delaware Find", which was an original owner collection. For that reason I really can't believe it was trimmed. Furthermore, when I submitted, I said "NO", please do not slab any cards deemed "A". It's crazy that I still don't understand this. Do they this card is altered? It does have small pinhole if that makes a difference. In the auction listing they said:
"Since the card has pinholes, it will receive an automatic grade of 1 from all major third party authenticators. For this reason, we are not having these cabinet cards graded and will offer them ungraded. We stand 100% behind their authenticity and will provide a full refund if a PSA or SGC deems otherwise."  
Last edited by luciobar1980; 09-09-2018 at 12:14 PM.
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09-09-2018, 12:21 PM
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Would you mind posting a link as I cannot find the thread or posting this all came from.
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09-09-2018, 12:22 PM
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SO.. you guys would not be perturbed in my shoes? Probstein calls it a 6.0 when it was previously a 4.0 raw reviewed Beckett, I get it graded by SGC and it comes back a 4. It's all on me huh?
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09-09-2018, 12:40 PM
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You said in your video the Speaker would be a "1" or Authentic because of the pin holes. Are you disappointed in the grade or the fact they encased it, because a screwdriver will solve the case real fast.
On the Wilson, if it came back a "5" would you still be mad? If you think it's high just crack and resubmit it. The '33 Hack Wilson is notoriously off centered and this one is near perfect...JUST ENJOY IT!!
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09-09-2018, 01:08 PM
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 uh, yes, it's all on you. You got greedy and took a gamble, hoping to flip a card and make some extra cash. Who knows where probstein got that card. How are they supposed to know it was raw card reviewed? It's like they say, you can't cheat an honest man. You made a bad purchase here. Caveat emptor, chalk this up as a lesson and move on.
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09-09-2018, 04:10 PM
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09-09-2018, 12:46 PM
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I should add that I was being facetious about it getting cleaned up a little as it looks like it had a serious cleaning and was possibly bleached after the Beckett review.
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09-09-2018, 12:51 PM
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I just got back a small group of nonsports. I thought the grading was harsh, but very consistent in that their ranking of the cards matched mine very closely. It is what it is and I am fine with it as these are just for my collection anyhow.
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Four phrases I have coined that sum up today's hobby: No consequences. Stuff trumps all. The flip is the commoodity. Animal Farm grading. Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 09-09-2018 at 12:53 PM.
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09-09-2018, 02:33 PM
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Four phrases I have coined that sum up today's hobby: No consequences. Stuff trumps all. The flip is the commoodity. Animal Farm grading.
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09-09-2018, 02:35 PM
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Buy raw with caution especially from graded card sellers. It's as simple as that.
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Four phrases I have coined that sum up today's hobby: No consequences. Stuff trumps all. The flip is the commoodity. Animal Farm grading.
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09-10-2018, 10:34 AM
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