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[luciobar1980]

Yeah, it looked so nice and I put some faith in Probstein.

Originally Posted by orly57

My rule of thumb is that if a raw card looks really good, it’s probably been popped out of an unfavorable holder. But if you must take a chance, a second rule of thumb is to pay for it as if it were two grades lower than you think it may be.

[bensie]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Yeah, it looked so nice and I put some faith in Probstein.

So crack it out and send to psa if sgc is too harsh.

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Yeah, it looked so nice and I put some faith in Probstein.

My experience is to be very careful when buying ungraded cards from Probstein. He has a 30 day return policy, which is great. But he doesn’t provide a very good description like PWCC does if it is a nice ungraded card.


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[1952boyntoncollector]

Again, all of this difference of opinion shoes the value of third party graders...man all of the returns that would happen before them on disagreements on 'EX' etc..

however, isn't a PSA 6 (st) still considered 'EX' So a PSA 4 with no qualifier can still be the same as PSA 6 'EX' with non mentioned qualifier when selling a raw card....so isn't in fact any EX card with a qualifier still considered an EX?

I have not seen anyone ever say their raw card is a 'EX-st-mk' etc...they just say EX... They just say look at the pictures etc and dont mention an 'EX with qualifier, and thats when i email them during the auction to say anything up with the card as i cant tell by the pictures...

[Pat R]

FWIW it looks like Beckett gave the Wilson a 4 in a raw review before
it was "cleaned up" a little.

Wilson Beckett 4.jpg

Wilson Goudey.jpgWilson Beckett Goudey.jpg

Wilson Goudey Back.jpgWilson Beckett Goudey Back.jpg

Wilson Goudey - Pair.jpg

Wilson Goudey Back - Copy.jpg

[luciobar1980]

Oh wow! How do you know this/how did you find that out? I mean that's definitely the card.

Originally Posted by Pat R

FWIW it looks like Beckett gave the Wilson a 4 in a raw review before
it was "cleaned up" a little.

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Oh wow! How do you know this/how did you find that out? I mean that's definitely the card.

Just 10-15 minutes of research.

[luciobar1980]

Can someone else comment on the Tris Speaker? The seller was bbcemporium and it was part of what they called the "Delaware Find", which was an original owner collection. For that reason I really can't believe it was trimmed. Furthermore, when I submitted, I said "NO", please do not slab any cards deemed "A". It's crazy that I still don't understand this. Do they this card is altered? It does have small pinhole if that makes a difference. In the auction listing they said:

"Since the card has pinholes, it will receive an automatic grade of 1 from all major third party authenticators. For this reason, we are not having these cabinet cards graded and will offer them ungraded. We stand 100% behind their authenticity and will provide a full refund if a PSA or SGC deems otherwise."

[luciobar1980]

Would you mind posting a link as I cannot find the thread or posting this all came from.

Originally Posted by Pat R

Just 10-15 minutes of research.

[luciobar1980]

SO.. you guys would not be perturbed in my shoes? Probstein calls it a 6.0 when it was previously a 4.0 raw reviewed Beckett, I get it graded by SGC and it comes back a 4. It's all on me huh?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

Would you mind posting a link as I cannot find the thread or posting this all came from.

It wasn't in a thread or post just some old fashion card research.

I should add that I was being facetious about it getting cleaned
up a little as it looks like it had a serious cleaning and was
possibly bleached after the Beckett review.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Just 10-15 minutes of research.

False modesty. I have never seen someone as adept at tracking down a card's history as Pat.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Buy raw with caution especially from graded card sellers. It's as simple as that.

[The Nasty Nati]

Originally Posted by Pat R

FWIW it looks like Beckett gave the Wilson a 4 in a raw review before
it was "cleaned up" a little.

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From these photos there appears to be a small chunk missing in the white border of the card on the right side. A few inches above the Goudey copyright. That along with the corners being a little soft, make this card in my opinion a 4. Nothing wrong with a 4 though. Solid grade for a Goudey, especially a nice centered one.