BGS Turnaround Time: Up to One Year

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Sorry man this is not true. I'm dialed into quite a few big facebook groups for modern and the modern guys LOVE BGS over PSA. The collective thinking is that it's much harder to cross PSA 10's over to BGS 9.5's (or 10's) so the grading must be better and for modern the sub grades are crucial to help differentiate. I noticed this big time at the Natty where a good 75% of all modern cards I saw were BGS vs. PSA.

Go compare Trout rookies or anything else you want on ebay, then report back. PSA 10s sell at a substantial advantage to BGS 9.5s. I don't know the market for one off weird basketball inserts and the like so if you're talking about that or autographs, fine, you could be right, but on your basic superstar rookies and variations, PSA is winning from what I see.

PS from what I know guys buy 9.5s (quads mostly) to try to cross them to PSA 10s. Not the other way around.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Go compare Trout rookies or anything else you want on ebay, then report back. PSA 10s sell at a substantial advantage to BGS 9.5s.

I don't pretend to know where his cards go long term but for the moment Trout is as hot as any athlete can get. One thing is for sure he has to perform for a long time to sustain these levels!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I don't pretend to know where his cards go long term but for the moment Trout is as hot as any athlete can get. One thing is for sure he has to perform for a long time to sustain these levels!

I agree with that irrespective of the grading company involved. But for purposes of this thread, I am confident that on the major issues a PSA 10 is going to outsell a BGS 9.5 even a quad.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I agree with that irrespective of the grading company involved. But for purposes of this thread, I am confident that on the major issues a PSA 10 is going to outsell a BGS 9.5 even a quad.

I am obviously a PSA supporter and I made a conscious decision early on that longer term there was no other choice.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just looked on PWCC's pricing website at recent 2011 Trout Update PSA 10s and BGS 9.5s. Good barometer because there are lots of both. PSA outselling BGS by 20 percent or so across the board from a quick look. Disparity probably higher on the variations.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Just looked on PWCC's pricing website at recent 2011 Trout Update PSA 10s and BGS 9.5s. Good barometer because there are lots of both. PSA outselling BGS by 20 percent or so across the board from a quick look. Disparity probably higher on the variations.

I would compare prices on BGS 10 to PSA 10, not sure BGS 9.5 to PSA 10 is an apples to apples comparison. In your Trout comparison BGS 10 VCP avg is $1457 vs. PSA 10 $572 (almost 3x). I was referring more to the overall total numbers of modern in BGS holders and the desirability. From everything I've seen BGS holds substantial leads in both. Which probably has something to do with the long wait times for their lowest tier service.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

I would compare prices on BGS 10 to PSA 10, not sure BGS 9.5 to PSA 10 is an apples to apples comparison. In your Trout comparison BGS 10 VCP avg is $1457 vs. PSA 10 $572 (almost 3x). I was referring more to the overall total numbers of modern in BGS holders and the desirability. From everything I've seen BGS holds substantial leads in both. Which probably has something to do with the long wait times for their lowest tier service.

9.5 to 10 is apples to apples. Gem Mint to Gem Mint. No question. BGS 10 is to one side a very unusual grade, kinda like having one of those HE stickers. 10 to 10 is definitely NOT apples to apples. If PSA prices are higher then by definition that means PSA is more desirable so I really don't get your point. BGS probably has graded more because earlier and for a number of years it was the biggest player in the space so got off to a substantial lead. Not any longer. Just look at PWCC which is probably the biggest seller of this stuff.

PS I have some Beckett cards so I am not biased or a PSA fanboy. I think generally they do a good job on modern, even if the subgrades can be a little arbitrary and are frequently just off on Star basketball for reasons beyond me. But the money guys chasing the big Trout variations, the Jeters, etc. etc., are buying PSA.