Nash on Spence thoughts?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So are you saying the allegations in the link are made up?

I didn't open it. I think the guy is a criminal and is full of crap. Why should I go there?
If someone is a complete fraudster, constantly lying and committing fraud and otherwise doing really bad things while living a morally corrupt life, why should I? No doubt some of what he says is true. That is what keeps the lemmings going....but a lot/most of it is made up and total fantasy. I know that for a fact.

btw, I guess it comes down to not believing someone that is doing bad stuff, and has for a long time, ratting on others supposedly doing bad stuff. Note the tense I use.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't open it... but a lot/most of it is made up and total fantasy. I know that for a fact.

If you never read it, Leon, you don't know what's there. And if you don't know what's there, you don't know ("for a fact," or otherwise) what is (possibly) made up, and what isn't.

We get that you don't like the guy, and we know for a fact it's personal. But that doesn't have anything at all to do with the veracity of Nash's article.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

If you never read it, Leon, you don't know what's there. And if you don't know what's there, you don't know ("for a fact," or otherwise) what is (possibly) made up, and what isn't.

We get that you don't like the guy, and we know for a fact it's personal. But that doesn't have anything at all to do with the veracity of Nash's article.

I was talking about the site and not the link.
I have read the site and that is what I based my opinion on. Who else pleads the 5th when asked, under oath, where they got items they consigned? He has me on his site supposedly saying it's ok to steal unless you get caught. How can you take him seriously when he is such a loose canon and fraudster? Much of a big consignment he consigned was fraudulent and the trail began and ended with him and that was proven in court. As for the link and article, don't care to read it. It's hogwash if you ask me, written by a criminal that deserves to be in jail many times over, by all accounts.

[David Atkatz]

Once again, Leon. Nothing you've said has any bearing on the veracity of the article.

[hcv123]

Yowza!! I knew it was bad, but didn't realize it was that bad - The Sal Bando video makes JSA look utterly ridiculous and complete frauds!

[Runscott]

I know this sounds naive, but I would like to better understand what happened in the examples Nash gives, and if it really was lack of integrity or if the authenticators made honest mistakes and have learned from them, even if they were honest mistakes that we think demonstrated ineptitude. Also, how many of the examples are actually true or exaggerations?

[Peter_Spaeth]

A more recent (purported) expose from Nash.

http://autographplanet.com/forum/ope...ses-psa-jsa-au

[Peter_Spaeth]

I can't pretend to understand his psychology, I have never communicated with him, but it doesn't strike me as necessarily inconsistent that he could be both a fraudster himself and dead on in his assessment of others committing fraud.

EDIT TO ADD Just saw David's post above and agree.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I don't know him personally, but I know people who do. I get the impression that he is VERY knowledgeable (the better to fool you!) and that there is some truth contained on Hauls of Shame. The problem is the random mixture with personal vendettas basically invalidates all of the potential good HOS might do, and frankly motive means a lot to me. WHY did he start HOS? He is still running from the consequences of his earlier crimes so it's not like he's "reformed."

I have read much of the site. I know that the vast majority of the easily check-able stories are true. It's when he stops providing links, real sources, and hard data, and starts personally attacking people that he loses credibility. That makes it hard to determine what to believe and what to ignore which renders the site effectively useless.