365 Days of Roberto Clemente

[hcv123]

PSA identifies this as 1971 - It could be or possibly 1970. This is a sealed pack with no year identifier on the back.

[hcv123]

This is likely a 1970 autograph card

[hcv123]

These have slightly different textural , size or cropping differences - I presume them to be various appearance or team issues (except the postcard - no idea there!)

[Empty77]

Awesome resource Howard. I recall asking before but we didn't finish the discussion: your sense of why PSA will authenticate/label some of these but not others? Is it just a question of what they can know for sure, and if they are unsure about provenance then the default is to not be willing to slab at all and therefore not include in the master list?

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Awesome resource Howard. I recall asking before but we didn't finish the discussion: your sense of why PSA will authenticate/label some of these but not others? Is it just a question of what they can know for sure, and if they are unsure about provenance then the default is to not be willing to slab at all and therefore not include in the master list?

There is no obvious rhyme or reason why they do what they do. They claim to only grade items that are listed in a major price guide (Becket or Standard Catalog). How they "think" they can tell the difference between 66-67-68 autograph cards - I don't know - I can't (They don't even have a 1966 graded - or did they mislabel another year?). The fact that they do accept some but do not accept or recognize ALL of the Jay publishing and team issues as identified above - I don't know. Just requested they grade the '56 - they refused. They grade some variations and stupid things like the mini cutouts from the Transogram box, but don't grade other legitimate variations like the 180 back Salada or the wide border 69 Nabisco flakes.
Read the forums for a little while and you will see the general consensus on consistency of their qualitative grading as well. I've gotten stuff back from them and just shake my head sometimes - items that are solid nrmt - come back with a 4-5 grade.
For selling - they are a necessary "evil". For collecting they are a choice - I chose to work on a registry set because I got bored with so little to look for. I am not looking to get 100% complete on it. I have complete bazooka boxes from every year (but 1960) - I don't care about the panels (except 71 numbered) or singles. I will not even send in my 68 or 71 boxes as PSA will bend a flap to fit into their holder!!
Why they do what they do? Because people like me keep sending them money to do it

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by hcv123

There is no obvious rhyme or reason why they do what they do. They claim to only grade items that are listed in a major price guide (Becket or Standard Catalog). How they "think" they can tell the difference between 66-67-68 autograph cards - I don't know - I can't (They don't even have a 1966 graded - or did they mislabel another year?). The fact that they do accept some but do not accept or recognize ALL of the Jay publishing and team issues as identified above - I don't know. Just requested they grade the '56 - they refused. They grade some variations and stupid things like the mini cutouts from the Transogram box, but don't grade other legitimate variations like the 180 back Salada or the wide border 69 Nabisco flakes.
Read the forums for a little while and you will see the general consensus on consistency of their qualitative grading as well. I've gotten stuff back from them and just shake my head sometimes - items that are solid nrmt - come back with a 4-5 grade.
For selling - they are a necessary "evil". For collecting they are a choice - I chose to work on a registry set because I got bored with so little to look for. I am not looking to get 100% complete on it. I have complete bazooka boxes from every year (but 1960) - I don't care about the panels (except 71 numbered) or singles. I will not even send in my 68 or 71 boxes as PSA will bend a flap to fit into their holder!!
Why they do what they do? Because people like me keep sending them money to do it

Thanks for all the great info Howard. It is a little confusing between the Jay Photos and team issued B&Ws.


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1968 Topps Managner's Dream...I really like this card, I wish Roberto appeared on more multi-player cards.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Thanks for all the great info Howard. It is a little confusing between the Jay Photos and team issued B&Ws.

The Jay Publishing from 1955-1957 just say "Pirates". From 1959-1965 The Jays say "Pittsburgh Pirates". The Sports Service/Team issues started in 1960 or 1961 and only say "Pirates" - that's the easiest way to tell the difference between the 2 - narrowing down the year - that took a LONG time!

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by hcv123

These have slightly different textural , size or cropping differences - I presume them to be various appearance or team issues (except the postcard - no idea there!)

Howard,

Love the team issue and Jays! Please post again when you get them back from PSA. I think these are under appreciated, but I really like them.

Is the postcard a Jim Rowe? The writing on the back looks similar to the one’s I have.

[71buc]

Originally Posted by hcv123

PSA identifies this as 1971 - It could be or possibly 1970. This is a sealed pack with no year identifier on the back.

I think that is a 1971 issue. I purchased series A and B individually in sealed packs. I later purchased the undated Blue card from a collector who was breaking up a complete set. His set did not have the Series A and B checklists. He claimed to be the original owner and that they were purchased as a complete set without the checklists.

[docpatlv]

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1971 Pirates Team photo...





1971 World Series ticket stub (Roberto homers in the top of the 4th off Cuellar)...

[docpatlv]

Day 233


1970s J. D. McCarthy...

[JollyElm]

If I may add another cool, wildly miscut card to your tally...

1972clemente309miscut.jpg

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

If I may add another cool, wildly miscut card to your tally...

Attachment 326385

Nice Darren! Was that on eBay recently? There was a miscut that I had been watching. Didn't pull the trigger, then it was gone. Anyway, great card.

Mike

[docpatlv]

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ca. 1990s Louisville Slugger 3,000 Hits Bat...

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

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1970s J. D. McCarthy...

Man, that is a cool looking McCarthy postcard. I think I’ve seen two varieties of these postcards of Roberto. Do you know how many McCarthy postcards there are of Clemente, or is it just the two?

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by Mark70Z

Man, that is a cool looking McCarthy postcard. I think I’ve seen two varieties of these postcards of Roberto. Do you know how many McCarthy postcards there are of Clemente, or is it just the two?

I've only seen 2 versions, the other predates this one.

[docpatlv]

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1965 Perfect Photo...