SGC mistake :-(

[rats60]

If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by rats60

If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?

what do they know/see that you/I can't/don't?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

what do they know/see that you/I can't/don't?

If we are paying them for a service, they should be able to do it. A card is either trimmed or not. If they can't determine that, then they are worthless. Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion. It is understandable that one guy might say a card is a 7 and another an 8. Hopefully they have multiple experienced graders putting that number on high dollar cards. With the dollars people are paying for graded cards, there needs to be a minimum level of competence from the grading companies.

[cammb]

The buyer of the card had nothing to loose since it was an A already. I would do the same. Unfortunately when I did it, it came back as an A. LOL

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by rats60

Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion.

This is it. They should be referred to as Third Party Opinions (TPOs), not TPGs. "Grade" has a connotation that it is non-negotiable, and while the graders are using a set of criteria to determine a grade, there is enough subjective opinion involved that it makes grading cards very negotiable.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by AGuinness

This is it. They should be referred to as Third Party Opinions (TPOs), not TPGs. "Grade" has a connotation that it is non-negotiable, and while the graders are using a set of criteria to determine a grade, there is enough subjective opinion involved that it makes grading cards very negotiable.

100% agree Garth :-)

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by rats60

If we are paying them for a service, they should be able to do it. A card is either trimmed or not. If they can't determine that, then they are worthless. Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion. It is understandable that one guy might say a card is a 7 and another an 8. Hopefully they have multiple experienced graders putting that number on high dollar cards. With the dollars people are paying for graded cards, there needs to be a minimum level of competence from the grading companies.

Agreed 100%.

[hysell]

Wouldn't it be crap, if we were to find they hire Collage kids with no back ground ? All they have is a chart & scale and text to go by ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by hysell

Wouldn't it be crap, if we were to find they hire Collage kids with no back ground ? All they have is a chart & scale and text to go by ?

This is the genius of PSA. Other than the top couple of guys, we have no idea of who grades the cards or what their qualifications are, but it makes no difference.

[bobbyw8469]

Look how the Wallace flairs out on the bottom left....I think the altered was right to begin with, and now it resides in a numbered holder.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by hysell

Wouldn't it be crap, if we were to find they hire Collage kids with no back ground ? All they have is a chart & scale and text to go by ?

What makes you think that is not what is happening?

The TPG's grading specifications appear to be a collage of subjective views.

Originally Posted by Johnny630

+1

when their motto is it's only a opinion they can not be held accountable.

I know plenty of people who freely share their opinions, and they're idiots.

[Chuck]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that Wallace - it's a beautiful card. Again, buy the card, not the holder.

[JollyElm]

The TPG's should put out expansive and unedited (except for time) videos of vintage cards going through the actual grading process, so all of us collectors can finally get some legitimate insight as to what is going on there. Make them randomly selected submissions meandering step by step through the entire operation, showing EXACTLY what is going on behind the scenes. Yes, of course, there is plenty of room for the companies to put the best light on their workings, but hell yeah would it be a big step in the right direction.

[boneheadandrube]

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[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by rats60

If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?

Bingo.


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[vintagebaseballcardguy]

rats60: "If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?"

Originally Posted by biggsdaddycool

Bingo.


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I agree with this sentiment. Stuff like this sucks a little more fun out of the hobby and simply steers it down the road of cards being labeled as commodities and not much more. Very sad...

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[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by rats60

If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?

I do believe Your statement is correct!

So I'd Like ta look abit inta this issue with this particular Card of Mr Cobb.
I'm fairly familiar wit E90-1's, I've seen my share & have been bringing them to my home fir quite sum time now!

Well, first off I noticed the High Top Left & Low Bottom Left White Borders of Mr. Cobbs Card Being The Same Height. This is just a check that my mind has become accustomed ta makin! Doesn't mean the Card is "Trimmed", Howevar this is a Very Good Tell Tale Only because this particular Cut isn't as Common among the E90-1 Set But Certainly Not the Whole Truth to the Cards Health.

Usually if the Top Left width has more White Border the Lower Left has less, and it's of Course the Same fir the Right side of the Card Top to Bottom.

I had many conversations about this same issue wit this Set. Just Because a Card has been Factory Cut Odd, Perfect or just down right Freakish, Doesn't necessarily mean it's JUST "Authentic"... If You Can't get inta the the Holder is another Reason Some Cards Lose Value! No Grade, No Holder Leaves the Customer weary wit of possible foul play.

I understand where the OP is Coming from! I've a few Stories that have Only made me be more Diligent wit my Prewar Education...
"At Sum Point, GettiN Spank'd is Part of Any Real Education"

So Congratulations!!!
You've Punch'd a Very Real Ticket in Your PreWar Education...
I'll wager this Doesn't Evar Happen Again iN the OP's World!!!
(This is All Tongue in Cheek Kinda Stuff ~ Please Don't Evar Take What I Have ta Say wit Any Kind of Intellect ~ I Love bein a Mullagan : )

Here's a few Cards that will show a bit of what I mention'd!