SGC mistake :-(

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

what do they know/see that you/I can't/don't?

If we are paying them for a service, they should be able to do it. A card is either trimmed or not. If they can't determine that, then they are worthless. Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion. It is understandable that one guy might say a card is a 7 and another an 8. Hopefully they have multiple experienced graders putting that number on high dollar cards. With the dollars people are paying for graded cards, there needs to be a minimum level of competence from the grading companies.

[cammb]

The buyer of the card had nothing to loose since it was an A already. I would do the same. Unfortunately when I did it, it came back as an A. LOL

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by rats60

Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion.

This is it. They should be referred to as Third Party Opinions (TPOs), not TPGs. "Grade" has a connotation that it is non-negotiable, and while the graders are using a set of criteria to determine a grade, there is enough subjective opinion involved that it makes grading cards very negotiable.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by AGuinness

This is it. They should be referred to as Third Party Opinions (TPOs), not TPGs. "Grade" has a connotation that it is non-negotiable, and while the graders are using a set of criteria to determine a grade, there is enough subjective opinion involved that it makes grading cards very negotiable.

100% agree Garth :-)

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by rats60

If we are paying them for a service, they should be able to do it. A card is either trimmed or not. If they can't determine that, then they are worthless. Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion. It is understandable that one guy might say a card is a 7 and another an 8. Hopefully they have multiple experienced graders putting that number on high dollar cards. With the dollars people are paying for graded cards, there needs to be a minimum level of competence from the grading companies.

Agreed 100%.

[hysell]

Wouldn't it be crap, if we were to find they hire Collage kids with no back ground ? All they have is a chart & scale and text to go by ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by hysell

Wouldn't it be crap, if we were to find they hire Collage kids with no back ground ? All they have is a chart & scale and text to go by ?

This is the genius of PSA. Other than the top couple of guys, we have no idea of who grades the cards or what their qualifications are, but it makes no difference.

[bobbyw8469]

Look how the Wallace flairs out on the bottom left....I think the altered was right to begin with, and now it resides in a numbered holder.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by hysell

Wouldn't it be crap, if we were to find they hire Collage kids with no back ground ? All they have is a chart & scale and text to go by ?

What makes you think that is not what is happening?

The TPG's grading specifications appear to be a collage of subjective views.

Originally Posted by Johnny630

+1

when their motto is it's only a opinion they can not be held accountable.

I know plenty of people who freely share their opinions, and they're idiots.

[Chuck]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that Wallace - it's a beautiful card. Again, buy the card, not the holder.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Chuck

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that Wallace - it's a beautiful card. Again, buy the card, not the holder.

Look at the left side how it flairs out at the bottom, and tell me again, objectively, there is nothing wrong with that card.

[boneheadandrube]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Look at the left side how it flairs out at the bottom, and tell me again, objectively, there is nothing wrong with that card.

The card is probably not flat in the holder...

[JollyElm]

The TPG's should put out expansive and unedited (except for time) videos of vintage cards going through the actual grading process, so all of us collectors can finally get some legitimate insight as to what is going on there. Make them randomly selected submissions meandering step by step through the entire operation, showing EXACTLY what is going on behind the scenes. Yes, of course, there is plenty of room for the companies to put the best light on their workings, but hell yeah would it be a big step in the right direction.

[boneheadandrube]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

The TPG's should put out expansive and unedited (except for time) videos of vintage cards going through the actual grading process, so all of us collectors can finally get some legitimate insight as to what is going on there. Make them randomly selected submissions meandering step by step through the entire operation, showing EXACTLY what is going on behind the scenes. Yes, of course, there is plenty of room for the companies to put the best light on their workings, but hell yeah would it be a big step in the right direction.

There's a really good chance that when a company is very busy your cards don't get a full look. If they are allowed to just give out an A or N5 because its "an opinion", then I'm sure many cards that need to be looked at closely (hard ones, like vintage ) are just given the N5 to save time and move on to the next batch knowing that the customers will likely resubmit anyway. Ask anyone who has sent in 100 T206's what their results are like.

[boneheadandrube]

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