SGC versus PSA slabs

[Rhotchkiss]

Ok, here is the real question- a very pretty 52 Topps Mantle PSA 9 sells for $2.88mm. How much does that same exact card in an SGC 96 flip sell for?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ok, here is the real question- a very pretty 52 Topps Mantle PSA 9 sells for $2.88mm. How much does that same exact card in an SGC 96 flip sell for?

Drawing any conclusion about a grading company based on the results of a single card, and an outlier at that, would be scoffed at by even an average statistician. As I said before, the Registry effect for high end Registry worthy cards exists. I would venture to say that most of us do not play that game.

If PSA was the only option, would the hobby be better of?

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ok, here is the real question- a very pretty 52 Topps Mantle PSA 9 sells for $2.88mm. How much does that same exact card in an SGC 96 flip sell for?

Who knows, but it’s not all that important to me because I couldn’t afford a 1952 Topps Mantle in a SGC or PSA 3 holder. A more interesting question might be what will his exact card sell for 5 years from now?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ok, here is the real question- a very pretty 52 Topps Mantle PSA 9 sells for $2.88mm. How much does that same exact card in an SGC 96 flip sell for?

IMO, it would sell for higher than a PSA 8 price, maybe reaching close to $1M....It wouldn't smell what a PSA 9 would go for, not even close, period...

[Roulette44]

SGC 96 Mantle probably $750-$1M

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Roulette44

SGC 96 Mantle probably $750-$1M

Agree with this. Here is a hypothetical for other members on the board since Ryan proposed the potential idea. It is no secret that the board majority lies heavily in favor with SGC, not even close. If you had this Mantle in a PSA 9, would you cross it to SGC because of how nice their holders look? Or, would you keep it in the PSA holder because of financial reasons, honest answers please....

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Agree with this. Here is a hypothetical for other members on the board since Ryan proposed the potential idea. It is no secret that the board majority lies heavily in favor with SGC, not even close. If you had this Mantle in a PSA 9, would you cross it to SGC because of how nice their holders look? Or, would you keep it in the PSA holder because of financial reasons, honest answers please....

Easy answer...I wouldn't even consider crossing it. Then again, I don't have a rooting interest in any of the professional grading companies. Do I like SGC's holders? Sure. Do I like PSA well enough? Sure. I even like Beckett, if the price is right. It is the card within for me.

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Agree with this. Here is a hypothetical for other members on the board since Ryan proposed the potential idea. It is no secret that the board majority lies heavily in favor with SGC, not even close. If you had this Mantle in a PSA 9, would you cross it to SGC because of how nice their holders look? Or, would you keep it in the PSA holder because of financial reasons, honest answers please....

Of course not, no one cares about the aesthetics of the holder that much. No ones arguing that PSA doesn't bring more coin though

[rats60]

Last year Memory Lane had 2 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson rookie cards in their summer auction. The PSA 9 sold for 47k. The SGC 96 sold for 110k. Collectors will look at the card and pay more for exceptional cards in SGC holders.

[JollyElm]

There was an ebay coupon code recently where a buyer would save up to $100 on a $500 purchase, so I decided the time was right to grab up a pretty nice Mantle. In the end, I was down to looking at 1964 cards graded 7 by both PSA and SGC.

If I recall correctly, the SGC was priced at about $470 and the lowest PSA one was $625, with most being at $675 and way above that. If you look at these two cards, they have very similar top-to-bottom centering and the corners of the SGC card are much sharper overall.

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To me it was absolutely worth it going with SGC and paying a minimum of $150 less for the card. When the time comes to sell him in the future, though, I will have to figure things out to get a better return like you seemingly always get with PSA cards.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by rats60

Last year Memory Lane had 2 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson rookie cards in their summer auction. The PSA 9 sold for 47k. The SGC 96 sold for 110k. Collectors will look at the card and pay more for exceptional cards in SGC holders.

I thought his rookie was the 1948 Leaf.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I thought his rookie was the 1948 Leaf.

The is no 1948 Leaf set for baseball. There is a 1949 Leaf set for baseball and 1948 and 1949 Leaf sets for football. There also a boxing set. Jackie Robinson's RCs are 1949 Leaf and 1949 Bowman.

[Frank A]

Here's my thoughts on grading. The new company in town will be Beckett!!! No, I don't grade with Beckett, but I see the hand writing on the wall. Prices of Beckett cards are on the rise and quite often in line with PSA and SGC. Why? In the early 90's when all the shiney stuff came out all the new collectors went to Beckett. Now these collectors are much older and going back in time with their collections. Guess what? Most will stay with Beckett as they have been in the past. I'm an old man and won't be switching graders, but I see Beckett as the #1 grader in the future.

[Johnny630]

PSA IMO will always be on top in regards to pre 80’s cardboard. Show after show people give me the ah it’s a shame it’s in a SGC holder I only do PSA. Can you try and cross it. No buy the card not the holder. My response. People are brainwashed by PSA. For as much as they Bi$ch and Complain about their service I don’t see things changing anytime soon. Check there lines at the National.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Frank A

Here's my thoughts on grading. The new company in town will be Beckett!!! No, I don't grade with Beckett, but I see the hand writing on the wall. Prices of Beckett cards are on the rise and quite often in line with PSA and SGC. Why? In the early 90's when all the shiney stuff came out all the new collectors went to Beckett. Now these collectors are much older and going back in time with their collections. Guess what? Most will stay with Beckett as they have been in the past. I'm an old man and won't be switching graders, but I see Beckett as the #1 grader in the future.

Funny post.

Originally Posted by rats60

The is no 1948 Leaf set for baseball. There is a 1949 Leaf set for baseball and 1948 and 1949 Leaf sets for football. There also a boxing set. Jackie Robinson's RCs are 1949 Leaf and 1949 Bowman.

See above post

[irv]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

There was an ebay coupon code recently where a buyer would save up to $100 on a $500 purchase, so I decided the time was right to grab up a pretty nice Mantle. In the end, I was down to looking at 1964 cards graded 7 by both PSA and SGC.

If I recall correctly, the SGC was priced at about $470 and the lowest PSA one was $625, with most being at $675 and way above that. If you look at these two cards, they have very similar top-to-bottom centering and the corners of the SGC card are much sharper overall.

Attachment 313377

To me it was absolutely worth it going with SGC and paying a minimum of $150 less for the card. When the time comes to sell him in the future, though, I will have to figure things out to get a better return like you seemingly always get with PSA cards.

Although I have never sent a card in for grading, the research/learning I have done trying to educate myself has proven to me that SGC is, by far, way more consistent than PSA.

Also, and although I have only been on the boards/forums for a couple years, I don't recall ever reading/seeing scandals like I have with PSA.

Imo, with society seeming to get dumber every year, I don't think we'll ever see anyone take over the #1 ranking of PSA even though, imo, SGC should be #1 due to their consistency/accuracy when it comes to their grading.

Money rules, and PSA knows that so they also know they can afford to be less consistent knowing full well, people will continue to flock to them with their cards.

Hopefully someday honesty and consistency returns to the hobby, but I am not holding my breath.

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I thought his rookie was the 1948 Leaf.

His rookie is the 1947 Bond Bread Portrait with facsimile (pictured) or the cropped corner Bond Bread (see post #1 in the April pickup thread). Each pre-date the 1948 (actually ’49 Leaf) and 1949 Bowman by at least a year and a half and were not just distributed regionally as once believed.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

His rookie is the 1947 Bond Bread Portrait with facsimile (pictured) or the cropped corner Bond Bread (see post #1 in the April pickup thread). Each pre-date the 1948 (actually ’49 Leaf) and 1949 Bowman by at least a year and a half and were not just distributed regionally as once believed.

You are entitled to your opinion as to what a rookie card is. I will stick with the one that was the standard 35 years ago when I started collecting again and that I have known since, that only national issues are rookie cards. Looking at PSA's registry, I see that they agree with me. I see that for their rookie card collections you need either the 49 Bowman or Leaf card.

Originally Posted by rats60

You are entitled to your opinion as to what a rookie card is. I will stick with the one that was the standard 35 years ago when I started collecting again and that I have known since, that only national issues are rookie cards. Looking at PSA's registry, I see that they agree with me. I see that for their rookie card collections you need either the 49 Bowman or Leaf card.

PSA’s registry and their opine is irrelevant to me. The 1947 Bond Breads are baseball cards that have been proven to be distributed in over 13 metropolitan cities around the country and pre-date 1948/49 Leaf and 1949 Bowman by a year and a half. That said, I’ll stick with common sense when it comes to which card is his rookie card (although I own a Leaf and Bowman just for good measure)

[steve B]

Originally Posted by rats60

You are entitled to your opinion as to what a rookie card is. I will stick with the one that was the standard 35 years ago when I started collecting again and that I have known since, that only national issues are rookie cards. Looking at PSA's registry, I see that they agree with me. I see that for their rookie card collections you need either the 49 Bowman or Leaf card.

From my own rather cynical dictionary.

Rookie card - Archaic term used to describe a players "first card" with the condition that it be available in enough quantity that most dealers can readily get one for their inventory and thus exploit the rubes who only know what the guide tells them.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by rats60

Last year Memory Lane had 2 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson rookie cards in their summer auction. The PSA 9 sold for 47k. The SGC 96 sold for 110k. Collectors will look at the card and pay more for exceptional cards in SGC holders.

How many high grade SGC graded and exceptional T206s would you like to buy? The Doctor is in.....I have many.....