1948 Leaf Satchel Paige - blank back - on eBay....

Meenman · #1 04-09-2018, 08:04 AM

Slander is saying that I am shill bidding. Of course it hasn't been exposed yet it's not true. That's the point.To say I am involved in shill bidding and to have no proof of that is against the law. Anyone can accuse someone of anything. But if you accuse them in public without proof and it's not true is unethical and illegal.I am running a honest EBay auction site and I wll defend myself when accused of being dishonest.This is B'S. I have no control of anyone bidding on my auctions. I have been accused of shill bidding and so have some of my bidders. You are slandering multiple people because it's not true. Bring forth the evidence or stop.

Leon · #2 04-09-2018, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

Slander is saying that I am shill bidding. Of course it hasn't been exposed yet it's not true. That's the point.To say I am involved in shill bidding and to have no proof of that is against the law. Anyone can accuse someone of anything. But if you accuse them in public without proof and it's not true is unethical and illegal.I am running a honest EBay auction site and I wll defend myself when accused of being dishonest.This is B'S. I have no control of anyone bidding on my auctions. I have been accused of shill bidding and so have some of my bidders. You are slandering multiple people because it's not true. Bring forth the evidence or stop.

There are about 500 lawyers on this board. I can pretty much assure you nothing that has been said (at least by me) is actionable. I never said you or anyone shill bid. I am just saying that the bidding pattern of your top bidder, on the card I pointed out, has a SHADY bidding pattern with you. It is the truth.
However you want to take that is up to you but it's a fact. And if I were bidding I would be very careful.

PiratesWS1979 · #3 04-09-2018, 08:27 AM

Actually, I won the '53 Paige at $380 not the *3402* bidder at $370. It arrived double boxed and extremely well protected. Also if you'd look at the bid history of the early auctions, you would see that bidder too....and wasn't that when everyone was saying they were leaving "money on the table"?

Zact · #4 04-09-2018, 08:46 AM

Yes I see that *3402 was the underbidder at $375 on the 53 Paige-take it for what it�s worth- maybe you paid more than you had to

bobbyw8469 · #5 04-09-2018, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zact

Yes I see that *3402 was the underbidder at $375 on the 53 Paige-take it for what it�s worth- maybe you paid more than you had to

Yes, they paid more than they had to. I don't see $380 there. I will look at the bidding history and see what transppired.

PiratesWS1979 · #6 04-09-2018, 09:03 AM

You could be right, I might have paid a whole $25 more for a nicely centered '53 Paige. The point is there is shill bidding all over eBay as proof by the 100's of threads about it from PWCC to probstein123 to any seller who has a string bidder.

Meenman came on here to explain the Leaf Paige blank back and hopefully took your advice and is having it authenticated. Now you have gone for "leaving money on the table" to he's a shill bidder. After 20 years and 17,000+ feedback, he is just defending himself because I am 99% positive his business has never been abused like this.

Leon · #7 04-09-2018, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

You could be right, I might have paid a whole $25 more for a nicely centered '53 Paige. The point is there is shill bidding all over eBay as proof by the 100's of threads about it from PWCC to probstein123 to any seller who has a string bidder.

Meenman came on here to explain the Leaf Paige blank back and hopefully took your advice and is having it authenticated. Now you have gone for "leaving money on the table" to he's a shill bidder. After 20 years and 17,000+ feedback, he is just defending himself because I am 99% positive his business has never been abused like this.

Actually, to me, that is not the point. I don't think the seller is shilling. I just think he probably has some bidders playing games and it looks bad. He could block them to alleviate it. Do we need to do another poll of how many honest people have 4 bid retractions in 6 months? That number would be close to 0.

bobbyw8469 · #8 04-09-2018, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Actually, to me, that is not the point. I don't think the seller is shilling. I just think he probably has some bidders playing games and it looks bad. He could block them to alleviate it. Do we need to do another poll of how many honest people have 4 bid retractions in 6 months? That number would be close to 0.

I've never had a bid retraction, and the only auction I never paid for was where I was a victim of a bid retractor within the last hour of an auction, who ironically, another had bid me up to my max and not a penny more. I passed. And technically, if you retract a bid, you are "supposed" to bid the correct amount immediately after the retraction. That seldom happens though.

Zact · #9 04-09-2018, 11:10 AM

The integrity of your card auctions is compromised. You need to suspend the bidder u***g (3402). This bidder retracted a bid for $350 on your 1950 Bowman Berra. Then, you allowed him to string bid this card back up to $187.50, a day later, after the retraction. This bidder has demonstrated suspicious activity on multiple items, that violates Ebay TOS, and its your responsibility to take control of your brand.

calvindog · #10 04-09-2018, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Actually, to me, that is not the point. I don't think the seller is shilling. I just think he probably has some bidders playing games and it looks bad. He could block them to alleviate it. Do we need to do another poll of how many honest people have 4 bid retractions in 6 months? That number would be close to 0.

I've not retracted a bid in 20 years. Funny, that.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 04-09-2018, 06:29 PM

I'm not a volume seller by any means but over the years it adds up to close to a couple thousand sales, most of which were auctions. I can't recall a single time a bidder retracted. Rarely, and I mean maybe a couple times, someone has asked me if I would cancel their bid.

And I don't recall ever retracting a bid myself.

JeremyW · #12 04-09-2018, 06:29 PM

I've never retracted a bid in my 15+ years on Ebay. I think Ben might be onto something.

T205 GB · #13 04-09-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

Slander is saying that I am shill bidding. Of course it hasn't been exposed yet it's not true. That's the point.To say I am involved in shill bidding and to have no proof of that is against the law. Anyone can accuse someone of anything. But if you accuse them in public without proof and it's not true is unethical and illegal.I am running a honest EBay auction site and I wll defend myself when accused of being dishonest.This is B'S. I have no control of anyone bidding on my auctions. I have been accused of shill bidding and so have some of my bidders. You are slandering multiple people because it's not true. Bring forth the evidence or stop.

Are you saying the Mays and other cards that have been pointed out by myself and other board members have not been shilled? We have heard this story so many times as a community. I am innocent blah blah blah. Fine then prove it because at this point the evidence is stacked against you.

bnorth · #14 04-09-2018, 02:23 PM

It could be OPTION C. Someone sees the chance of a lifetime to get all these raw cards to get graded and make a fortune. They want to chase as many others away as possible. So they start string bidding and making a few bid retractions to be able to buy them even cheaper.

This type of bidding has been discussed on here before with more than one person admitting to doing it.

Just an option. Could also be a non-nefarious bidder. After all we have heard about those also.

pokerplyr80 · #15 04-09-2018, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by T205 GB

Are you saying the Mays and other cards that have been pointed out by myself and other board members have not been shilled? We have heard this story so many times as a community. I am innocent blah blah blah. Fine then prove it because at this point the evidence is stacked against you.

I don't think it's fair to ask someone to prove they didn't do something like this, and in not even sure it's possible with the information Ebay provides. Blocking bidders who retract bids in his auctions would be nice to see though and a sign of good faith.

T205 GB · #16 04-09-2018, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think it's fair to ask someone to prove they didn't do something like this, and in not even sure it's possible with the information Ebay provides. Blocking bidders who retract bids in his auctions would be nice to see though and a sign of good faith.

Why not? They want us to prove our findings right?

Also just like other eBay auctioneers previously discussed on this board they would be stupid to block any bidders that help the bottom line unless you can prove 100% who it is, and we know how that works.

bobbyw8469 · #17 04-09-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by T205 GB

Why not? They want us to prove our findings right?

Also just like other eBay auctioneers previously discussed on this board they would be stupid to block any bidders that help the bottom line unless you can prove 100% who it is, and we know how that works.

Bid retractors are usually more trouble than they are worth. Same as non-paying bidders. I have patience for neither......

JollyElm · #18 04-09-2018, 04:13 PM

Someone may want to do a web search for "slander vs. libel." Just saying.

Bill77 · #19 04-09-2018, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm

Someone may want to do a web search for "slander vs. libel." Just saying.

Peter Parker: Spider-Man wasn't trying to attack the city, he was trying to save it. That's slander.

J. Jonah Jameson: It is not. I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.

That's how I remember the difference.

pokerplyr80 · #20 04-09-2018, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by T205 GB

Why not? They want us to prove our findings right?

Also just like other eBay auctioneers previously discussed on this board they would be stupid to block any bidders that help the bottom line unless you can prove 100% who it is, and we know how that works.

It's just difficult, if not impossible, for him to prove he's not involved. I agree with your sentiment though and as I mentioned earlier I won't be participating in this seller's auctions.

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