1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

[orly57]

The owner of my local card shop bought like 100 sets of 1986 Topps Update. He sent psa 100 EACH of the Canseco, Bonds, and Bo Jacksons. Mind you, these cards were all in a sealed set until the moment he sent them. Not one card received a PSA 10. Now tell me how a 60 year old card, which for about 30 of those years didn't have much financial value at all, can be pulled out of a pack of gum by some kid, stored god knows how, and remain a 10. I'm not sure, but I don't think they had nice holders for those cards in the 50's and 60's. It's truly amazing. Having have said all that, I just don't see how that card is worth 5-figures more than Peter's 7 (yes, I saw the right border). It is truly insane.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have long suspected there are politics involved in 10s, at least at the very expensive level.

[Peter_Spaeth]

One seller, 17,000+ PSA 10s.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...sa+10&_sacat=0

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One seller, 17,000+ PSA 10s.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...sa+10&_sacat=0

His 71 Seaver is no even close to a 10. 7 at best! A lot of 7-9 but nothing a true ten

[ullmandds]

hand cut 10's...hostess 10's...he definitely has friends in high places!!!

[RedsFan1941]

he doesn't get cheated.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

hand cut 10's...hostess 10's...he definitely has friends in high places!!!

What stood out to me was the amount of junk-era crap that isn't even worth grading unless you are guaranteed a 10. And even at a 10, they are only worth a few bucks more than the cost of grading. I can understand graded cards selling for $10 when they obviously just came in lower than the owner had hoped. But a psa 10 for $10.00 seems like a $3 profit in a best case scenerio.

[bigfanNY]

One of my best friends in the hobby would walk the floor of every show he went to (and he went to alot) looking at 52 Bowman's and specifically at Musial's. He must have shown me a hundred top examples of the card and I never saw one that looked like the one that sold. I would give that card a 10 all day long it is heads and shoulders above any other 52 Musial. Congrats to new owner.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One seller, 17,000+ PSA 10s.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...sa+10&_sacat=0

And the most expensive card is a PSA 10 hand cut 1985 box bottom? hmmm...

[ocjack]

Did anyone else notice the uniform in the lower lefthand corner of the cards are slightly different? One shows a little "white" below the red band, the other shows no "white." Pictures cropped differently on the plate?

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by ocjack

Did anyone else notice the uniform in the lower lefthand corner of the cards are slightly different? One shows a little "white" below the red band, the other shows no "white." Pictures cropped differently on the plate?

Possibly ink bleed. I wouldn't think they would re-crop something in print unless it is a major flaw.

[irv]

Originally Posted by orly57

The owner of my local card shop bought like 100 sets of 1986 Topps Update. He sent psa 100 EACH of the Canseco, Bonds, and Bo Jacksons. Mind you, these cards were all in a sealed set until the moment he sent them. Not one card received a PSA 10. Now tell me how a 60 year old card, which for about 30 of those years didn't have much financial value at all, can be pulled out of a pack of gum by some kid, stored god knows how, and remain a 10. I'm not sure, but I don't think they had nice holders for those cards in the 50's and 60's. It's truly amazing. Having have said all that, I just don't see how that card is worth 5-figures more than Peter's 7 (yes, I saw the right border). It is truly insane.

I wondered/asked that same question back in 2016 when I joined the site. I wondered then, not thinking anything fishy was going on, how someone preserved a card/cards for all those years to receive some of the grades they got?
Some answered, which is likely true as well, that those were likely placed in books and the like and long forgotten about.

I recently tried to join a FaceBook card site and the one question I was asked before I was granted admission was, "Who do you think is better, PSA or SGC"?
I answered, I thought SGC was more accurate/harsher/consistent when it came to grading, and I haven't heard a word nor been excepted since.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One seller, 17,000+ PSA 10s.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...sa+10&_sacat=0

Four fake corners gets preferential treatment? The hell you say...

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have long suspected there are politics involved in 10s, at least at the very expensive level.

This. It is a rigged game.

[GasHouseGang]

I'm just glad to finally see Musial get some respect. Still not Mantle money, but not bad!

[orly57]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

I'm just glad to finally see Musial get some respect. Still not Mantle money, but not bad!

I'm not sure Musial is getting respect here; a PSA FLIP is getting the respect here. That's what I think Pete was referring to when he said it was stupid. I agree that we should not attack other collectors for buying whatever they want, but (Pete correct me if I'm wrong here) I think he was referring to the practice of paying insane amounts for a flip. If you shoved Peter's psa 7 in that 10 holder, the guy still would have bought it for 28k. Thats the Problem. Pete isn't mocking fellow CARD collectors; he's addressing the logic of collecting FLIPS.

I think there is a fine line between insulting fellow collectors and having an educated discussion on a baseball card forum about how wise it is to spend multiple thousands of dollars on a card because of the holder it is in (see the black swamp find thread). Use of the word "stupid" may cross that line, but that's Pete's opinion. Part of the purpose of our forum is to share opinions. I would bet the buyer has a Musial registry and needed the 10. Good for him. He's got the money for it and he needs it to improve his registry. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is that we know that card could be broken out, resubmitted, and get a 9. Then we must ask "is the CARD worth 28k?" At the end of the day, if high grade Musials is what that collector collects, then God bless him. He chose a hell of a player. But do not be mistaken. A PSA 10 holder got the respect here, not the Hall of Famer the card depicts.

[aconte]

Well the SGC 82 has to be worth a couple bucks more now....lol....

Nice card btw!

[Peter_Spaeth]

One wonders what this card would have sold for as an SGC 98. Less than half is my guess.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by orly57

I'm not sure Musial is getting respect here; a PSA FLIP is getting the respect here. That's what I think Pete was referring to when he said it was stupid. I agree that we should not attack other collectors for buying whatever they want, but (Pete correct me if I'm wrong here) I think he was referring to the practice of paying insane amounts for a flip. If you shoved Peter's psa 7 in that 10 holder, the guy still would have bought it for 28k. Thats the Problem. Pete isn't mocking fellow CARD collectors; he's addressing the logic of collecting FLIPS.

I think there is a fine line between insulting fellow collectors and having an educated discussion on a baseball card forum about how wise it is to spend multiple thousands of dollars on a card because of the holder it is in (see the black swamp find thread). Use of the word "stupid" may cross that line, but that's Pete's opinion. Part of the purpose of our forum is to share opinions. I would bet the buyer has a Musial registry and needed the 10. Good for him. He's got the money for it and he needs it to improve his registry. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is that we know that card could be broken out, resubmitted, and get a 9. Then we must ask "is the CARD worth 28k?" At the end of the day, if high grade Musials is what that collector collects, then God bless him. He chose a hell of a player. But do not be mistaken. A PSA 10 holder got the respect here, not the Hall of Famer the card depicts.

Hilarious. You are paying for the number, not the card. Thats why you can debate the merits of a card all you want, but in the end it's a 10 by some guy in psa. His buddy working in the cubical next to him may call it a 9. In the end you pay for it, or not. Thats what grading has done to the hobby. Among other very good things im not slamming grading altogether, but see it for what it is, you pay for the number.

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Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it.