1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

[orly57]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

I'm just glad to finally see Musial get some respect. Still not Mantle money, but not bad!

I'm not sure Musial is getting respect here; a PSA FLIP is getting the respect here. That's what I think Pete was referring to when he said it was stupid. I agree that we should not attack other collectors for buying whatever they want, but (Pete correct me if I'm wrong here) I think he was referring to the practice of paying insane amounts for a flip. If you shoved Peter's psa 7 in that 10 holder, the guy still would have bought it for 28k. Thats the Problem. Pete isn't mocking fellow CARD collectors; he's addressing the logic of collecting FLIPS.

I think there is a fine line between insulting fellow collectors and having an educated discussion on a baseball card forum about how wise it is to spend multiple thousands of dollars on a card because of the holder it is in (see the black swamp find thread). Use of the word "stupid" may cross that line, but that's Pete's opinion. Part of the purpose of our forum is to share opinions. I would bet the buyer has a Musial registry and needed the 10. Good for him. He's got the money for it and he needs it to improve his registry. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is that we know that card could be broken out, resubmitted, and get a 9. Then we must ask "is the CARD worth 28k?" At the end of the day, if high grade Musials is what that collector collects, then God bless him. He chose a hell of a player. But do not be mistaken. A PSA 10 holder got the respect here, not the Hall of Famer the card depicts.

[aconte]

Well the SGC 82 has to be worth a couple bucks more now....lol....

Nice card btw!

[Peter_Spaeth]

One wonders what this card would have sold for as an SGC 98. Less than half is my guess.

[aconte]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One wonders what this card would have sold for as an SGC 98. Less than half is my guess.

I agree. I'd guess 5-7k

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

[luciobar1980]

Congrats! It's a beautiful card in any condition...

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

First welcome to the board. Secondly we should run some Yotes. I am selfish on the Bucks though. I am guessing you are in the Dakotas/Wisconsin/ or MN based on your name?

It is your money to spend however. It is also your collection. As stated before I do not feel that the card you paid for is the card you got in that holder. To each their own though!

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

As stated before I do not feel that the card you paid for is the card you got in that holder. To each their own though!

Can you recap what you mean by this??

[orly57]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

Congrats. I am glad you bought a card that you love. I think it is Stan The Man's most beautiful issue.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

Congrats...and UFFDAH is right! As long as you're happy...that's all that matters. No doubt it's a gorgeous card...didn't mean to call you stupid...I like others here just think its ridiculous the prices some high grade examples command when the difference esthetically is not visible to the human eye...or most graders on any given day.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have no idea about this card, but quite a few big ticket 10s are 9s that were brought in at shows.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bad week for the buyer. A 25K or whatever card he bought exposed as altered, and now his name is outed. What next?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Don't worry....maybe Moser can work up another '10' for you....in case you didn't like that one.

[Goudey77]

Wow this is awful. I have no words. UFFDAH will fortunately get his refund.

[Anish]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

I guess being smarter than a coyote or deer doesn’t make you smart enough to detect a scam

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Anish

I guess being smarter than a coyote or deer doesn’t make you smart enough to detect a scam

I am sure he feels chagrined without people piling on too much. Yes no question he was too trusting of Brent, but Brent seduced a lot of people.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Anish

I guess being smarter than a coyote or deer doesn’t make you smart enough to detect a scam

Smarter than a deer without a gun anyway.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One wonders what this card would have sold for as an SGC 98. Less than half is my guess.

Probably nothing because I think SGC would have not graded it with more than an A!

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by orly57

I'm not sure Musial is getting respect here; a PSA FLIP is getting the respect here. That's what I think Pete was referring to when he said it was stupid. I agree that we should not attack other collectors for buying whatever they want, but (Pete correct me if I'm wrong here) I think he was referring to the practice of paying insane amounts for a flip. If you shoved Peter's psa 7 in that 10 holder, the guy still would have bought it for 28k. Thats the Problem. Pete isn't mocking fellow CARD collectors; he's addressing the logic of collecting FLIPS.

I think there is a fine line between insulting fellow collectors and having an educated discussion on a baseball card forum about how wise it is to spend multiple thousands of dollars on a card because of the holder it is in (see the black swamp find thread). Use of the word "stupid" may cross that line, but that's Pete's opinion. Part of the purpose of our forum is to share opinions. I would bet the buyer has a Musial registry and needed the 10. Good for him. He's got the money for it and he needs it to improve his registry. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is that we know that card could be broken out, resubmitted, and get a 9. Then we must ask "is the CARD worth 28k?" At the end of the day, if high grade Musials is what that collector collects, then God bless him. He chose a hell of a player. But do not be mistaken. A PSA 10 holder got the respect here, not the Hall of Famer the card depicts.

Hilarious. You are paying for the number, not the card. Thats why you can debate the merits of a card all you want, but in the end it's a 10 by some guy in psa. His buddy working in the cubical next to him may call it a 9. In the end you pay for it, or not. Thats what grading has done to the hobby. Among other very good things im not slamming grading altogether, but see it for what it is, you pay for the number.

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Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card.

smart man

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it.

Way to go, man. You saw a card you liked, it happens to cost a bundle, and you're successful enough to bring it home. Rock on.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking for an opinion on what to pay for a card, I am likely to ask someone other than the seller.

[cardinalcollector]

Absolutely gorgeous Musial card.

From a Pure Cardinal Collector that appreciates the beauty.

Congrats UFFDAH

[MW1]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it.

Great card! Congratulations! Looks like a PSA 10 to me.

[npa589]

Just wanted to chime in and state that the cliché counter for this thread is at 783. I believe Pete is in the lead with about 13 in one post.

Peter - sellers like Brent, Steve Hart and some others are straight shooters. They build successful businesses because they are trustworthy. No different than my company taking care of our customers/consumers because we stand behind our product, you have to for repeat long term business. Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes. Sometimes my itchy trigger does not want to listen to him but I almost always do.

[Peter_Spaeth]

In your opinion. I would call you by your name, but you haven't given it.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

...I would call you by your name, but you haven't given it.

I was thinking the same thing...especially after reading his opinions regarding particular persons and companies.

Peter - sellers like Brent, Steve Hart and some others are straight shooters. They build successful businesses because they are trustworthy. No different than my company taking care of our customers/consumers because we stand behind our product, you have to for repeat long term business. Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes. Sometimes my itchy trigger does not want to listen to him but I almost always do.

[Peter_Spaeth]

You seem to have repeated your post there?

Sorry bout the double post not sure how that happened!!

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes.

Wait...PWCC tells people not to bid on cards he is trying to auction? I am sure the consigner would love to know that. That doesn't sound very ethical.

Obviously, the consignments that PWCC tells people not to bid on should be labeled as "PWCC low-end."

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Wait...PWCC tells people not to bid on cards he is trying to auction? I am sure the consigner would love to know that. That doesn't sound very ethical.

Obviously, the consignments that PWCC tells people not to bid on should be labeled as "PWCC low-end."

Didn't someone mentioned he tells them "just throw in a bid, you won't win it"

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Wait...PWCC tells people not to bid on cards he is trying to auction? I am sure the consigner would love to know that. That doesn't sound very ethical.

Obviously, the consignments that PWCC tells people not to bid on should be labeled as "PWCC low-end."

As an auctioneer if I have a regular customer who has specific needs/wants and he asks whether I think a particular auction lot will meet those needs I, of course, am going to be honest, even if the answer is "no that lot really won't make you happy." There's nothing unethical about the truth, and I don't feel that's in conflict to my fiduciary duty to my consignor.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Peter - sellers like Brent, Steve Hart and some others are straight shooters. They build successful businesses because they are trustworthy. No different than my company taking care of our customers/consumers because we stand behind our product, you have to for repeat long term business. Brent does not hesitate to tell me to pass on one of his auction cards if he feels I should be patient and wait for a little stronger example knowing my goals and tastes. Sometimes my itchy trigger does not want to listen to him but I almost always do.

Man, talk about putting your trust in the wrong folks. Hopefully it all works out for the buyer, and for us too...this whole situation is disgusting.

BrianP(arker)-beme

[steve B]

So it's being returned?

Where does it eventually end up?
With PWCC?
With PSA?
With the card doctor?

If it simply all gets returned, I believe it will simply either get reslabbed after a crackout still a 10 but with a new cert number. Or gets a slight ding, and gets reslabbed as a 9 again with a new number, and we start all over again.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by steve B

So it's being returned?

Where does it eventually end up?
With PWCC?
With PSA?
With the card doctor?

If it simply all gets returned, I believe it will simply either get reslabbed after a crackout still a 10 but with a new cert number. Or gets a slight ding, and gets reslabbed as a 9 again with a new number, and we start all over again.

The whole level of fraud and deception bestowed upon us by a few players is sickening.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The whole level of fraud and deception bestowed upon us by a few players is sickening.

It’s not just a few players. It’s hundreds of crooks in this hobby, some big, some not so big, big there’s fraud in every corner of it.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by steve B

So it's being returned?

Where does it eventually end up?
With PWCC?
With PSA?
With the card doctor?

If it simply all gets returned, I believe it will simply either get reslabbed after a crackout still a 10 but with a new cert number. Or gets a slight ding, and gets reslabbed as a 9 again with a new number, and we start all over again.

I'm guessing it's much easier to deconstruct a perfect card. Keep your eyes peeled for a PSA 8.

[sportscardtheory]

Edit - didn't realize what happened here.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it.

I'm way behind in reading this thread. Saw the subject line and thought of opening a few times but never did. Until this morning...over coffee...I decided to dig in. And it's at this post, that I will take intermission...as I surely need a beer and bucket of popcorn for everything that comes next. And unfortunately, I just ate breakfast. Until tonight...