Reprising the T206 "Elite 12"......show them, if you have any of them

[tedzan]

Hi Mike

Great get......those Elite 11 dudes are very tough to find. If you are interested in Schaefer's EPDG counterpart,
I have an extra one (shown here).





TED Z

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[Ronnie73]

The Elite 11's are my current focus at the moment. I bounce around a lot in the set. I'm getting close to all 11 Front/Back runs. An Elite 11 master set would have a total of 73 different front/back combo's. It should be pretty interesting when it's completed. At some point (not now), a new card count should be done, to try and determine true rarity only going by cards in hand and not population reports. Of the 11, Schaefer is my favorite pose. I'm still undecided on number 12 Schulte. Maybe an EPDG discovery would lean me closer to including Schulte. With an EPDG discovery, a master set of the 12 would consist of 80 cards total. Nice round number.

Happy "Elite" collecting everyone!!!

[tedzan]

Hi Ron

My "Elite 11" run stands at 65 cards. I'm missing eight HINDU cards of these guys. As you know, the HINDU cards of these guys are not easy to find.

Like you.....I have my doubts about the Schulte card being a part of this "Elite 11" group. For one, only a single PIEDMONT 350 card has been found.
And secondly, where is the EPDG card of Schulte ? Until I see an EPDG Schulte, my guess is his lonely PIEDMONT 350 card is just a printing anomaly.
Actually, I classify Schulte as a 150-only subject.


TED Z

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[Tao_Moko]

For those of you chasing these - let me know what you need. I have a new baby on the way and again find myself not having concern for collecting. Collecting is for those who enjoy and not just have cards sitting in a safe like mine. I have quite a few of the toughest back runs in this series and singles of others.

I have 19 unique variations of the Ganley back run and a total of over 40 of his card and tracked populations for many years.. It should be mentioned that the BH and SOV150 backs for Ganley are pretty scarce in their own right.

These elite cards are really a fun to hunt. Enjoy!

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ron

My "Elite 11" run stands at 65 cards. I'm missing eight HINDU cards of these guys. As you know, the HINDU cards of these guys are not easy to find.

Like you.....I have my doubts about the Schulte card being a part of this "Elite 11" group. For one, only a single PIEDMONT 350 card has been found.
And secondly, where is the EPDG card of Schulte ? Until I see an EPDG Schulte, my guess is his lonely PIEDMONT 350 card is just a printing anomaly.
Actually, I classify Schulte as a 150-only subject.


TED Z

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Hi Ted, Nice to hear someone else is chasing after the Elite Run. 65 cards is an incredible accomplishment and I can respectfully relate to the difficulty of this special T206 subset. I'm only at 62 cards. When you say that your missing 8 Hindu's, are you counting Schulte as one of the eight? As far as I know, Karger, Lundgren, Mullin, and Schaefer were not issued with Hindu backs. I'm assuming your 65 cards are including the Schulte cards, otherwise your 65 plus 8 missing Hindu's would bring you to the 73 total cards for the "11" set. That would be a complete Piedmont & EPDG run which I think David Hall has only done so far but I could be completely wrong.

[tedzan]

Hi Ron

Having complete PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN, and SWEET CAP (Factory #30) sets providing the bulk of the 150 series cards
of the Elite 11 subjects gave me a head start on this run.

And yes, I'm reluctantly including Schulte / HINDU in the missing HINDU's.

Although, I thought I once saw a Mullin with a HINDU back. It was years ago, and my recollection of this may be wrong.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Hi Ted, Nice to hear someone else is chasing after the Elite Run. 65 cards is an incredible accomplishment and I can respectfully relate to the difficulty of this special T206 subset. I'm only at 62 cards. When you say that your missing 8 Hindu's, are you counting Schulte as one of the eight? As far as I know, Karger, Lundgren, Mullin, and Schaefer were not issued with Hindu backs. I'm assuming your 65 cards are including the Schulte cards, otherwise your 65 plus 8 missing Hindu's would bring you to the 73 total cards for the "11" set. That would be a complete Piedmont & EPDG run which I think David Hall has only done so far but I could be completely wrong.

Ron

" That would be a complete Piedmont & EPDG run which I think David Hall has only done so far but I could be completely wrong. "

This is partially true.

I'm sure David Hall has the complete Elite 11 run, since I sold him quite a number of these cards several years ago.

Also, Drew (from New Jersey) may have a complete run. While we were making some trades a few years ago, he showed me his
two T206 sets. And, if I recall correctly he has all (or most of) the Elite 11 run cards in his 2nd set.


TED Z

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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Ron

" That would be a complete Piedmont & EPDG run which I think David Hall has only done so far but I could be completely wrong. "

This is partially true.

I'm sure David Hall has the complete Elite 11 run, since I sold him quite a number of these cards several years ago.

Also, Drew (from New Jersey) may have a complete run. While we were making some trades a few years ago, he showed me his
two T206 sets. And, if I recall correctly he has all (or most of) the Elite 11 run cards in his 2nd set.


TED Z

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David Hall has his Elite 12 listed in the PSA Registry and is 100% complete. I'm trying to locate the Tubby Spencer Piedmont 350 that is or was graded SGC 40. Maybe you or Drew has or had this card. I'm also not sure how many raw ones might be out there but I believe the Spencer is the key to the set if not counting Schulte.

I'm just trying to understand how some are much easier to find than others. I guess I'm having this issue because in my mind I'm thinking that all 11 were on the same sheet and should have very similar populations.

[Luke]

Ron,

They probably were not all on the same sheet. This sheet of Piedmont 150s has Karger, Schaefer, Mullin and Lindaman on it. The others would have been on other sheets most likely.
https://photos.imageevent.com/patric...203%20Full.jpg

One thing we'll never know is if these players were pulled at different times. Poses could have been pulled one at a time or a few at time, or all at once.

Also, even if they were all pulled at the same time, a normal distribution would likely have one or two poses that are extra tough to find just based on randomness.

There were clearly a ton of changes made to sheets during the entire print run. It wouldn't surprise me at all if these guys were pulled at different times which lead to the disparity in populations now.

Finding this pattern was an awesome discovery. Within the group, there are certainly different tiers of toughness for individual players. Figuring out that part of it may not possible.

[frankrizzo29]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

David Hall has his Elite 12 listed in the PSA Registry and is 100% complete. I'm trying to locate the Tubby Spencer Piedmont 350 that is or was graded SGC 40. Maybe you or Drew has or had this card. I'm also not sure how many raw ones might be out there but I believe the Spencer is the key to the set if not counting Schulte.

I'm just trying to understand how some are much easier to find than others. I guess I'm having this issue because in my mind I'm thinking that all 11 were on the same sheet and should have very similar populations.

Ron,

With many thanks to a fellow Net54 member, he introduced me to someone who sold me a Tubby P350 that is graded SGC 40. May I ask the significance of why you were looking for this particular card?

If you'd rather email me, feel free to do so at frankbev29@yahoo.com.

Frank

[t206kid]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Mike

Great get......those Elite 11 dudes are very tough to find. If you are interested in Schaefer's EPDG counterpart,
I have an extra one (shown here).





TED Z

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I actually just traded for Mike's P350 that he just posted, and wouldn't mind going after this card too if you can part with it Ted (I will send you an email). Thank you to Mike! And my other 2 Elite 11s.

I'm missing just Dahlen EPDG for a full back run if anyone has one they could part with.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by t206kid

I actually just traded for Mike's P350 that he just posted, and wouldn't mind going after this card too if you can part with it Ted (I will send you an email). Thank you to Mike! And my other 2 Elite 11s.

I'm missing just Dahlen EPDG for a full back run if anyone has one they could part with.

Hi Jay

I will try to get back to you tomorrow regarding the Schaefer card. There is a guy who contacted me prior to you that is interested in it.


TED Z
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[t206kid]

Thanks Ted. It's be a cool pairing. Love the thread.

[atx840]

Great thread. I have 10/11, missing Dahlen.

[Thromdog]

I personally think Dahlen’s EPDG is harder to get than his 350. Like, really freaking tough.

Plus it gives me a chance to show off my Boston backrun.

[Michael Peich]

Jeff--That is an impressive Dahlen back run! Thanks for sharing it.

Cheers,
Mike

[t206kid]

Originally Posted by Thromdog

I personally think Dahlen’s EPDG is harder to get than his 350. Like, really freaking tough.

Plus it gives me a chance to show off my Boston backrun.

Never get tired of this picture. I'm inclined to agree...but I think Dahlen and Spencer are the two toughest P350s.

My Dahlen is still in process!

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by atx840

Great thread. I have 10/11, missing Dahlen.

Hey Chris, It's been a long time. How have you been? Wow, 10 of the 11. If you had an extra Spencer, I have a Dahlen in a Topps Buyback case. I have it listed on Ebay. I haven't added any Blue Chase's in a very long time. I would like to get into some of the T206 yellow/brown scraps at some point. Nice to see you back. Talk to you soon buddy.

[ahumes13]

I've enjoyed reading about these cards and thanks to Jay I've corralled my first, 21 more to go... Was bored tonight so took a look at current PSA and SGC pop reports and as best I can tell the numbers look like the following (including Hindu just for comparison sake):

Dahlen - Unknown P350 (6 PSA, unknown SGC), 7 EPDG, 11 Hindu

Ewing - 11 P350, 14 EPDG, 7 Hindu

Ganley - 17 P350, 19 EPDG, 14 Hindu

Jones - 13 P350, 18 EPDG, 11 Hindu

Karger - 14 P350, 16 EPDG, N/A Hindu

Lindaman - 10 P350, 24 EPDG, 19 Hindu

Lundgren - 17 P350, 26 EPDG, N/A Hindu

Mullin - 6 P350, 21 EPDG, N/A Hindu

Schaefer - 9 P350, 13 EPDG, N/A Hindu

Shaw - 11 P350, 21 EPDG, 21 Hindu

Spencer - 7 P350, 16 EPDG, 13 Hindu

Bears out much of the discussion above and does seem that P350s are showing up less across the board (perhaps with the exception of Dahlen). Probably old news for many, but was interesting for me to run out the current numbers.

If anyone has any extras or is looking to unload any P350s or EPDG please PM or email me!