Interesting trivia about 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards...show us some of these rare gems

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Wish I had more to show. Thanks for sharing yours. What's your guess on how many examples of each subject exist?

Hi Dean

Referring to the SGC pop report data....common T213-1 cards range from one example to 4 examples.

The data for Cobb is 8 examples. But, it looks like some of these examples may have been re-submitted.

Other HOFer's range from 2 - 5 examples.

Perhaps some one else can decipher the PSA data for T213-1's, as I cannot.


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I'm still searching for these 3 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)

Any help finding these cards is greatly appreciated and will be rewarded......Thanks guys.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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[ValKehl]

Ted, the PSA pop report shows a total of 102 graded. Here's the link to the detail: https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball...s-type-1/35312

[barrysloate]

I also think Burdick would have included the Type 1 Coupons in the T206 set, if Coupon hadn't issued series 2 and 3 a few years later. That complicated the matter, and he made the decision to designate all three Coupon series together as T213.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I also think Burdick would have included the Type 1 Coupons in the T206 set, if Coupon hadn't issued series 2 and 3 a few years later. That complicated the matter, and he made the decision to designate all three Coupon series together as T213.

Hi Barry

Thanks for chiming in here; and, your point is a good one. And, welcome to " The 1910 COUPON club "

Furthermore, if I recall Burdick's notes correctly, he dated all three T213 sets as having been issued "1913 - 1914".
And of course, we now know that the T213-1 set is indeed a 1910 issue.


TED Z
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[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Barry

Thanks for chiming in here; and, your point is a good one. And, welcome to " The 1910 COUPON club "

Furthermore, if I recall Burdick's notes correctly, he dated all three T213 sets as having been issued "1913 - 1914".
And of course, we now know that the T213-1 set is indeed a 1910 issue.


TED Z
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Correct. He actually said 1914-15 but that, along with the back design and the fact there were three types of Coupons (Burdick actually only cited two), is the biggest reason I do not believe they were classified as T206. Even if he logistically wanted to call them T206s, he could not because of the dates he believed they were from.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Correct. He actually said 1914-15 but that, along with the back design and the fact there were three types of Coupons (Burdick actually only cited two), is the biggest reason I do not believe they were classified as T206. Even if he logistically wanted to call them T206s, he could not because of the dates he believed they were from.

Cozumeleno

Burdick was a genius to have accomplished what he did for the hobby (both sports and non-sports).

But, what is puzzling to me....is he apparently missed the clear distinction of the Brown-captioned T213-1 cards vs the Blue-captioned T213-2 and T213-3 cards.

American Lithographic switched to printing the captions using BLUE ink from 1913 - 1919 for these tobacco cards (T213-2, T213-3, T214, T215-2).


__________________________________________________ _________________________________________
I'm still searching for these 3 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)

Any help finding these cards is greatly appreciated....Thanks guys.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Cozumeleno]

Agree - he was way ahead of his time.

In my version of the ACC, he actually did separate the two as he notes a brown font version and a blue font version. What is interesting is that he did not note two separate types of blue-font cards for T213-2 and T213-3 and only says there are two types.

He obviously noted the brown font cards looked like T206 cards. He even says in the ACC that these were 'as T206.' I believe that if he knew the correct dating of the cards, we'd have a different classification. But as I said, he believed they were from 1914-15 and, thus, had no option. There was no way he could call them T206s. That, along with the identical backs to other T206s (i.e. Cycle, etc.), printing in the T206 years, the same fronts, is enough for me to believe the T213-1s are probably T206s. Just my opinion and I know others disagree.

Originally Posted by tedzan

Cozumeleno

Burdick was a genius to have accomplished what he did for the hobby (both sports and non-sports).

But, what is puzzling to me....is he apparently missed the clear distinction of the Brown-captioned T213-1 cards vs the Blue-captioned T213-2 and T213-3 cards.

American Lithographic switched to printing the captions using BLUE ink from 1913 - 1919 for these tobacco cards (T213-2, T213-3, T214, T215-2).


__________________________________________________ _________________________________________
I'm still searching for these 3 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)

Any help finding these cards is greatly appreciated....Thanks guys.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Ted, the PSA pop report shows a total of 102 graded. Here's the link to the detail: https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball...s-type-1/35312

Thanks, Val

This PSA data makes my point regarding the "scarcity" of the 1910 COUPON cards......

102 examples / 68 subjects = 1.5 card (average)

This sampling is even less than the SGC data.



__________________________________________________ _________________________________________
I'm still searching for these 3 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)


Any help finding these cards is greatly appreciated and will be rewarded......Thanks guys.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[darwinbulldog]

Mmm mmm good.

[tedzan]

Rossman is an interesting 350-only subject......

1st......he has been confirmed with only 4 backs (PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN and the two SWEET CAPORAL backs). **

2nd.....and of course, he was printed with the 1910 COUPON back. But, not the A - B - C - D backs. Of which 45 of
the 48 other T213-1 Major Leaguers were printed with. Byrne and Mowrey are the other two in this same category.


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** Note....it's been reported that this card has a TOLSTOI back, however after 12 years this has yet to be confirmed.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Rossman is an interesting 350-only subject......

1st......he has been confirmed with only 4 backs (PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN and the two SWEET CAPORAL backs). **

2nd.....and of course, he was printed with the 1910 COUPON back. But, not the A - B - C - D backs. Of which 45 of
the 48 other T213-1 Major Leaguers were printed with. Byrne and Mowrey are the other two in this same category.


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** Note....it's been reported that this card has a TOLSTOI back, however after 12 years this has yet to be confirmed.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Rossman does exist with a Tolstoi Back

Rossman Tolstoi-1.jpg

[tedzan]

Pat

Thanks for posting the Rossman Tolstoi card. I've been searching for this card for over 10 years.

Suggestion....have SGC or PSA (or whichever grading co.) grade it, so it's recorded.


__________________________________________________ _________________________________________
I'm still searching for these 3 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)

Any help finding these cards is greatly appreciated and will be rewarded......Thanks guys.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

I wish it was mine Ted. A dealer was selling singles from a large group
he purchased and the Rossman was from that group but I missed the
auction. There were other cards that were/are unconfirmed that
came from that group of T206's too.

[tiger8mush]

I have 25, likely won't add any more. I believe Bender and Evers are my only two HOFers. Can see them all here ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/139478...57668902643359

(edited to add ... Higgins is the 3rd HOFer)

Here is one of the for those who don't like opening links

[Michael Peich]

Rob--Thank you for posting Hart, and for the link to your other T213-1s. Wow, what a collection you have, particularly of SLers.

Cheers,
Mike