Interesting trivia about 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards...show us some of these rare gems

[botport]

Mr. Zanidakis,

A question for you. If for the purpose of this hypothetical a T213-1 was considered a T206, where would you rate it in terms of back scarcity ?

Sorry if you have answered this elsewhere, also thanks for all of your informative posts.

Frank

[Rhotchkiss]

Congrats Kin, great loooking card.

Ted, great seeing you in philly. Next time I will get there Friday- everything is picked over by Sunday. Keep up the great t206 (and t213/t215) work, we all appreciate the insight and enjoy the reads.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by botport

Mr. Zanidakis,

A question for you. If for the purpose of this hypothetical a T213-1 was considered a T206, where would you rate it in terms of back scarcity ?

Sorry if you have answered this elsewhere, also thanks for all of your informative posts.

Frank

I think that it would rate after Lenox but ahead of Broadleaf 350 or Carolina Brights. Similar to a Red Hindu I suppose. What do you think Ted?

[Jobu]

The supremely excellent T206 Resource shows that it would likely fall between Carolina Brights and blank backs:

http://t206resource.com/Back%20Rankings%20List.html

[tedzan]

Hey Bryan

My research leads me to disagree with the following "supremely excellent T206 resource" ranking list.....

1 Ty Cobb
2 Old Mill (Southern Leagues) - Brown
3 Lenox - Brown
4 Broad Leaf 460
5 Drum 350
6 Uzit
7 Hindu - Red
8 Lenox - Black
**Red Cross - Type 1
9 Broad Leaf 350
10 Blank Back
**Coupon - Type 1
11 Carolina Brights

The 1910 COUPON cards are tougher than T206 BROAD LEAF 350 and Blank backs.

I could go into a lengthy dissertation on this subject (but I'll spare you the "nitty -gritty"). And, simply state it just comes down to a matter of quantity.
There are approx. 190 - BROAD LEAF 350 subjects vs. only 68 - 1910 COUPON subjects (which were more short-printed vs the BROAD LEAF 350 guys).


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Jobu]

Hi Ted,

Thanks for your thoughts! I was referring to the overall value of that site more than to the scarcity rankings themselves - I figured there would be some differences there and I certainly haven't done any research on that topic.

One question I have for you - what are your thoughts on overall numbers vs numbers with a specific back? To use blank backs as an example, there may be more total blank backs out there because there are far more subjects with blank backs than there are with "Coupon" backs. But, I think there are more examples of each Coupon subject than there are examples of each blank back subject.

[Pat R]

I think it's probably close either way between the Broadleaf 350's
and the coupons. If you use the PSA pop reports the coupons are
a 1.5 average per subject and the Broadleaf 350's are 1.6 but you
see far fewer ungraded Broadleaf 350's than coupons. The blank
backs are hard to judge because there is no set checklist for them.

[The Nasty Nati]

I posted a thread about the rarity of T213-1 back in May.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=239838

Here's the summary:

I found in my research that the T213-1 T206 Resource ranking is pretty spot on, BUT some other backs, like the Broad Leaf 350, will surprise you in their rankings.

Based on analyzing the PSA pop reports (not an exact science, I know) I found that T213 Coupon's ranked 6.

Here are the PSA results:

1. Old Mill Brown- 1
2. Lenox Brown- 14
3. Ty Cobb- 16
4. Broad Leaf 460- 32
5. Red Cross Type 1- 34
6. Coupon Type 1- 96
7. American Beauty 460- 110
8. Uzit- 125
9. Drum 350- 130
10. American Beauty No Frame- 146
11. Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42- 150
12. Hindu Red- 160
13. Lenox Black- 196
14. Broad Leaf 350- 287
15. Carolina Brights- 436
16. Hindu Brown-1,066

BUT when I rearranged the scarcity list based off combined pop of PSA AND SGC you get this list:

1. Old Mill Brown- 1
2. Ty Cobb- 21
3. Lenox Brown- 28 (*SGC doesn’t note Brown Lenox in pop report so I doubled the number from the PSA pop)
4. Broad Leaf 460- 73
5. Red Cross – Type 1- 179
6. Drum 350- 218
7. American Beauty 460- 220 (*Can’t search for 1911 AB in SGC pop report so I doubled the number from the PSA pop)
8. Uzit- 242
9. Hindu Red- 277
10. Coupon Type 1- 284
11. American Beauty No Frame- 292 (*SGC doesn’t note No Frame in pop report so I doubled the number from the PSA pop)
12. Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42- 300 (*SGC doesn’t note Fact 42 in pop report so I doubled the number from the PSA pop)
13. Lenox Black- 412
14. Broad Leaf 350- 498
15. Carolina Brights- 700
16. Hindu Brown-2,149

Based off these combined PSA and SGC population T213-1 are now 10th or right around what T206 Resource has it listed.

Again this isn't completely accurate as we all know that there is a lot of cross grading and for the backs mentioned above I couldn't get an accurate pop number so I 'guesstimated' the numbers by doubling their PSA pop number.

Still, what I've learned is that a few backs were scarcer and some not as scarce as previously thought. The biggest surprises were T215-1, Lenox Black, and Broad Leaf 350.

Not As Scarce:
• Lenox Black could be 13th and not 8th.
• Broad Leaf 350 could be 14th and not 9th.
• Carolina Brights could be 15th and not 11th
• Uzit could be 8th and not 6th in rarity.
• Hindu Red could be 9th and not 7th in rarity

Scarcer:
• Red Cross Type 1 could be 5th and not 9th in rarity
• American Beauty 460 could be 7th and not 13th in rarity making it potentially rarer than Uzit, Hindu Red, Lenox Black, Broad Leaf 350, and Carolina Brights...admittedly it's hard to tell though because PSA only recently broke down the different AB designations. So this is a very rough estimate.

Spot On:
• Coupon Type 1 is in fact accurately around 10th in scarcity as T206 Resource has noted

T206 Resource ranking: http://t206resource.com/Back%20Rankings%20List.html

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

I posted a thread about the rarity of T213-1 back in May.

Here's the summary:

I found in my research that the T213-1 T206 Resource ranking is pretty spot on.....

Based on analyzing the PSA pop reports (not an exact science, I know) I found that T213 Coupon's ranked 6.

• American Beauty 460 could be 7th and not 13th in rarity making it potentially rarer than Uzit, Hindu Red, Lenox Black, Broad Leaf 350, and Carolina Brights...admittedly it's hard to tell though because PSA only recently broke down the different AB designations. So this is a very rough estimate.

Hi B. Schneider

Regarding the 1910 COUPON cards......I differ with your analysis on the ranking of these cards. Why I disagree is this....using their Pop Report data can be misleading
because many of them have been "crossed-over" to obtain a higher grade. For example, here's my Chance.....a fine looking card which would under normal circumstances
be expected to get a higher grade than its 1.5 grade. I know this for a fact, since I have discussed this "cross-over effect" with others who collect the 1910 COUPON cards.

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However, higher grades are seldom realized because of the thinner stock of cardboard that these cards were printed on. So, in any event the Pop #s are exaggerated.



Regarding the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards......your analysis on these T206's is spot on. I've been collecting this sub-set for 12 years; and, I still need 3 cards.



__________________________________________________ _________________________________________
I'm still searching for these 3 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)

Any help finding these cards is greatly appreciated....Thanks guys.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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