How long currently for PSA to enter order into their system?

[Yoda]

It seems to me that PSA is falling into a classic business trap of new biz at any cost without providing the necessary backup to handle a massive flow of new submissions, particularly non-express ones. But their position of pre-eminent grader means customers are left to suck it up when guarantees mean nothing. I have to wonder what would happen to card values if Collectors' Universe goes bankrupt? Last SMR prices? Would PSA cardholders try to cross over their lost treasures to SGC or BVG, which would swamp them. Could a new grading company emerge?

[ngnichols]

Originally Posted by Yoda

It seems to me that PSA is falling into a classic business trap of new biz at any cost without providing the necessary backup to handle a massive flow of new submissions, particularly non-express ones. But their position of pre-eminent grader means customers are left to suck it up when guarantees mean nothing. I have to wonder what would happen to card values if Collectors' Universe goes bankrupt? Last SMR prices? Would PSA cardholders try to cross over their lost treasures to SGC or BVG, which would swamp them. Could a new grading company emerge?

Here's the problem: None of their service levels are guaranteed turnaround times. N-O-N-E.

Unless you are somewhere where they are doing on-site slabbing, it doesn't matter what service level you pay for or submit under, it's still not 100% guaranteed turnaround time and it's plain as day written on their site. I'd think at some certain level, especially given the increase in price they charge, that you'd get a guaranteed turnaround time. That is a HUGE drawback to me and obviously, they use it to their advantage when they get into spots like this. They play games with when it gets entered into the system after it's been in their possession and also if they can't meet the "estimated" deadline, then they just pull the "it's not a guaranteed turnaround service" and give you the shoulder-shrug and "Sorry" song and dance.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by ngnichols

Here's the problem: None of their service levels are guaranteed turnaround times. N-O-N-E.

Unless you are somewhere where they are doing on-site slabbing, it doesn't matter what service level you pay for or submit under, it's still not 100% guaranteed turnaround time and it's plain as day written on their site. I'd think at some certain level, especially given the increase in price they charge, that you'd get a guaranteed turnaround time. That is a HUGE drawback to me and obviously, they use it to their advantage when they get into spots like this. They play games with when it gets entered into the system after it's been in their possession and also if they can't meet the "estimated" deadline, then they just pull the "it's not a guaranteed turnaround service" and give you the shoulder-shrug and "Sorry" song and dance.

Good luck with that set of bullshit when they get sued. I'm sure a federal judge will be very understanding that they charge for faster service and don't come close to meeting it.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Good luck with that set of bullshit when they get sued. I'm sure a federal judge will be very understanding that they charge for faster service and don't come close to meeting it.

I agree....I don't believe they can charge for say a overnight service and take a month to grade, no matter WHAT it says in their terms of agreement.

[ngnichols]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Good luck with that set of bullshit when they get sued. I'm sure a federal judge will be very understanding that they charge for faster service and don't come close to meeting it.

Go ahead and file that baby and tell us all what happens. You'll spend more money fighting them than you'd gain in winning. They know this and aren't worried about it. They have a monopoly, to a degree, so you really can't bite the hand that feeds you.

The problem lies in the fact that they've brainwashed people thinking that Beckett grades trimmed/cut cards and any vintage card in a BVG holder can't be legit. As such, there is no realistic competition/grading relief in the vintage card market and that's why they are where they are. Good problem to have, but still a big problem nonetheless.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by ngnichols

Go ahead and file that baby and tell us all what happens. You'll spend more money fighting them than you'd gain in winning. They know this and aren't worried about it. They have a monopoly, to a degree, so you really can't bite the hand that feeds you.

Pretty sure this makes no sense on a few levels. How many federal cases have you been involved in as an attorney?

[bigfish]

Jeff kind of knows this arena. Good luck.

Jeff - Stan Jonathan
Nate- Pierre Bouchard


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne1y0QCOQOM

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by bigfish

Jeff kind of knows this arena. Good luck.

Jeff - Stan Jonathan
Nate- Pierre Bouchard


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne1y0QCOQOM

Nice reference. I remember watching that fight live as a kid. We were shocked at how Bouchard just crumbled.

Note: I didn't watch the video, as I believe I know what you're referring to.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bigfish

Jeff kind of knows this arena. Good luck.

Jeff - Stan Jonathan
Nate- Pierre Bouchard


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne1y0QCOQOM

Golden age of hockey: 1974-85. Gillies/O'Reilly, all three rounds.

Here's a real throwback from the other night. You just don't see fights like this anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llVg0vg2wsk

[cardsnstuff]

Originally Posted by Yoda

It seems to me that PSA is falling into a classic business trap of new biz at any cost without providing the necessary backup to handle a massive flow of new submissions, particularly non-express ones. But their position of pre-eminent grader means customers are left to suck it up when guarantees mean nothing. I have to wonder what would happen to card values if Collectors' Universe goes bankrupt? Last SMR prices? Would PSA cardholders try to cross over their lost treasures to SGC or BVG, which would swamp them. Could a new grading company emerge?

I prefer PSA; but simply because of resale value; but If were there competitor; {hey SGC} I would do a registry, and allow other top tier grading companies (PSA, BVG/BGS} cards be registered there. I think they could take away a huge piece of marketshare by doing so and providing better customer service.

PS. I am simply stock piling cards to grade and when my pile gets big enough than I won't mind waiting. Maybe I get lucky and in the meantime they get caught up.