John Rogers Sentenced

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Leon

My understanding is that John's 40'ish minutes on the stand didn't help his cause. The biggest sad part was his oldest son was there and finding out more about his Dad that he didn't know about. The sentence seems about right, to me, for what he did. A lot of people will end up defrauded out of millions and millions of dollars. He will have plenty of time to think about it.

Yeah, I think many of us have gotten to a point in our lives where our kids realize we are not superman and are not the greatest human being who ever lived. . . .but to sit at a criminal trial and hear this stuff your father did and what a scumbag he was. . . . I sympathize a great deal for his son. That has to be horrific. Your father is (hopefully) the first person you ever idolized and always your hero.

[vintagewhitesox]

I was in the courtroom.

Roger's allocution did not help. The judge is a tough one, and was especially upset about the double dealing after he agreed to flip. As Jeff said, that rarely happens.
My heart broke for the kid. the whole thing was very awkward.

side note, this is the same judge that sentenced Dennis Hastert. He's got some bite to him.
12 seems kind of high. I think if he didn't go continue to commit fraud he would have gotten between 5-7

[samosa4u]

His attorney also has cited a drug problem and bipolar disorder in explaining Rogers' past actions.

You gotta' love these f***ing criminal lawyers.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

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I didn't read the article that carefully, but what did the lawyer do wrong? Isn't it his job to zealously represent his client?

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

but what did the lawyer do wrong?

Would you ask that question if this POS (John Rogers) stole your money?

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Would you ask that question if this POS (John Rogers) stole your money?

Of course not, but you are conflating issues.
The lawyer is bound to zealously advocate for his client, not agree with what he's done.

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

His attorney also has cited a drug problem and bipolar disorder in explaining Rogers' past actions.

You gotta' love these f***ing criminal lawyers.

whats wrong with criminal defense lawyers?

Drug and alcohol abuse, at any stage of life, has debilitating and long lasting effects.

Or do you think someone being sentenced to prison time isn't allowed to offer mitigation?

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by vintagewhitesox

Or do you think someone being sentenced to prison time isn't allowed to offer mitigation?

They are, if it makes sense. This guy scammed people out of millions and it was due to greed. Blaming it on the drink and drugs is laughable.

[aconte]

I'll say the same thing here that I did there.

Twelve years was not enough.

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by aconte

I'll say the same thing here that I did there.

Twelve years was not enough.

Merry Christmas Tony!!

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

They are, if it makes sense. This guy scammed people out of millions and it was due to greed. Blaming it on the drink and drugs is laughable.

Truly spoken like a person that has never dealt with an addiction.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Truly spoken like a person that has never dealt with an addiction.

I drank like a fish in my 20s, sometimes I would have 10 drinks per day. I know addiction VERY well.

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

They are, if it makes sense. This guy scammed people out of millions and it was due to greed. Blaming it on the drink and drugs is laughable.

How do you know? what is the basis for you to make that conclusion? did you read the pre-sentence investigation report? did you read his sentencing memorandum?

Nobody is disputing that he's a con man. That's why he's in this position. I would have, and have in the past, done the same thing. its negligent not to.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

His attorney also has cited a drug problem and bipolar disorder in explaining Rogers' past actions.

You gotta' love these f***ing criminal lawyers.

As a f***ing criminal lawyer I resent that pithy comment. I don't need to write a long defense of my profession. I hope you or anyone in your family never needs one of us, but if you do, you will be thanking your lucky stars someone is there to stand up for and defend you.

[timn1]

yeh that was a BS comment. Might as well say f***ing judges or bailiffs or parole officers. They all have legitimate roles to play.

Originally Posted by tbob

As a f***ing criminal lawyer I resent that pithy comment. I don't need to write a long defense of my profession. I hope you or anyone in your family never needs one of us, but if you do, you will be thanking your lucky stars someone is there to stand up for and defend you.

[Huysmans]

Not all Rogers are bad...

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Not all Rogers are bad...

Actually, Rogers Hornsby was said to have been a terrible person.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

Actually, Rogers Hornsby was said to have been a terrible person.

Terrible?? Based on what... "actually"?

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by timn1

yeh that was a BS comment. Might as well say f***ing judges or bailiffs or parole officers. They all have legitimate roles to play.

Let's hope it stays that way.

[bmattioli]

"There was no other reason but greed."

Hope Karma bites him back someday..

[Fred]

Anybody want to recap the sentences for Rogers, Mastro and Allen?

Rogers = 12 years. Why people think this seems a bit harsh is beyond me. He'll probably get time off the sentence. Anybody wanna bet he spends 4 years in the can (maybe less) and then gets out?

Mastro and Allen perpetrated huge fraud and I think their sentences were lighter. Perhaps Mastro was smart enough not to do any double crossing of the government.

Anybody want to guess how much it cost to prosecute these clowns? I bet it cost the tax payers more than the amount of money those guys defrauded people.

[mark evans]

I would also like to put in a word on behalf of lawyers. I practiced for 30 years, mostly with the Department of Justice, before retiring in 2005. Virtually everyone I encountered was trying his/her level best to do the right thing and without regard to political considerations.

Thanks again to Jeff, Ryan and others who have worked to uncover fraud in the hobby.


Mark

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Fred

Rogers = 12 years. Why people think this seems a bit harsh is beyond me. He'll probably get time off the sentence. Anybody wanna bet he spends 4 years in the can (maybe less) and then gets out?

He'll do 85% percent of that time minus perhaps a year for completing a drug program and six months in a halfway house. So he'll be in for over 8 years.