John Rogers Sentenced

[samosa4u]

His attorney also has cited a drug problem and bipolar disorder in explaining Rogers' past actions.

You gotta' love these f***ing criminal lawyers.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

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I didn't read the article that carefully, but what did the lawyer do wrong? Isn't it his job to zealously represent his client?

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

but what did the lawyer do wrong?

Would you ask that question if this POS (John Rogers) stole your money?

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Would you ask that question if this POS (John Rogers) stole your money?

Of course not, but you are conflating issues.
The lawyer is bound to zealously advocate for his client, not agree with what he's done.

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

His attorney also has cited a drug problem and bipolar disorder in explaining Rogers' past actions.

You gotta' love these f***ing criminal lawyers.

whats wrong with criminal defense lawyers?

Drug and alcohol abuse, at any stage of life, has debilitating and long lasting effects.

Or do you think someone being sentenced to prison time isn't allowed to offer mitigation?

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by vintagewhitesox

Or do you think someone being sentenced to prison time isn't allowed to offer mitigation?

They are, if it makes sense. This guy scammed people out of millions and it was due to greed. Blaming it on the drink and drugs is laughable.

[aconte]

I'll say the same thing here that I did there.

Twelve years was not enough.

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by aconte

I'll say the same thing here that I did there.

Twelve years was not enough.

Merry Christmas Tony!!

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

They are, if it makes sense. This guy scammed people out of millions and it was due to greed. Blaming it on the drink and drugs is laughable.

Truly spoken like a person that has never dealt with an addiction.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Truly spoken like a person that has never dealt with an addiction.

I drank like a fish in my 20s, sometimes I would have 10 drinks per day. I know addiction VERY well.

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

They are, if it makes sense. This guy scammed people out of millions and it was due to greed. Blaming it on the drink and drugs is laughable.

How do you know? what is the basis for you to make that conclusion? did you read the pre-sentence investigation report? did you read his sentencing memorandum?

Nobody is disputing that he's a con man. That's why he's in this position. I would have, and have in the past, done the same thing. its negligent not to.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

His attorney also has cited a drug problem and bipolar disorder in explaining Rogers' past actions.

You gotta' love these f***ing criminal lawyers.

As a f***ing criminal lawyer I resent that pithy comment. I don't need to write a long defense of my profession. I hope you or anyone in your family never needs one of us, but if you do, you will be thanking your lucky stars someone is there to stand up for and defend you.

[timn1]

yeh that was a BS comment. Might as well say f***ing judges or bailiffs or parole officers. They all have legitimate roles to play.

Originally Posted by tbob

As a f***ing criminal lawyer I resent that pithy comment. I don't need to write a long defense of my profession. I hope you or anyone in your family never needs one of us, but if you do, you will be thanking your lucky stars someone is there to stand up for and defend you.

[Huysmans]

Not all Rogers are bad...

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Not all Rogers are bad...

Actually, Rogers Hornsby was said to have been a terrible person.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

Actually, Rogers Hornsby was said to have been a terrible person.

Terrible?? Based on what... "actually"?

[Jeffrompa]

Before they are sent to jail ...

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

Actually, Rogers Hornsby was said to have been a terrible person.

The SABR bio of Hornsby gives a concise overview of what a prick he was personally. From that bio:

"Hornsby, however, was almost as well known for his bluntness and complete lack of diplomacy as his prowess with a bat. He rarely argued with umpires but said whatever crossed his mind to anyone else, including the owners he worked for. Longtime Cardinals owner Sam Breadon remarked that listening to Hornsby was like have the contents of a rock crusher emptied over his head."

"Hornsby’s managerial career was far less successful than his playing career, however, especially at the major-league level. He managed for all or part of 15 big-league seasons with six franchises, achieving by far his greatest success as player-manager of the 1926 world champion St. Louis Cardinals. However, his overbearing, often irascible personality created poor relations with both players and owners, and led to his being fired at every post, sometimes in midseason. Like many great ballplayers who try to manage, he couldn’t teach what had come so naturally to him, and he was easily frustrated by mediocrity. As one writer put it, “Hornsby knew more about baseball and less about diplomacy than anyone I ever knew.”"

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/b5854fe4

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Terrible?? Based on what... "actually"?

Perhaps "terrible" is a bit strong, but let's see, Rogers Hornsby

1) was bigoted, anti-Semitic, and, at least for a short period, a member of the KKK

2) was extremely unfriendly and difficult to get along with. He ignored or disparaged the majority of his teammates, and so tended to room alone, eat by himself, and shower, dress and exit the clubhouse without speaking a word to his fellow players.

3) was so unlikeable that despite his prodigious talents, he moved teams more than 14 times over the course of his playing and managerial career, and was basically consigned to manage in the minors for over a decade because Commissioner Landis reportedly blacklisted him from MLB positions due to his personality and gambling problems. At one point as a manager, Hornsby was fined for punching an opposing manager and knocking him out during an on-field argument. When asked why he hit him, Hornsby said, "I wasn't making any progress talking to him." At another point, his players were so happy that he'd been fired that they paid for and gave the owner a three-foot high trophy with the engraving, "To Bill Veeck: For the greatest play since the Emancipation Proclamation.”

4) was an inveterate gambler who lost so much money betting on horses that he lost several jobs because of it, and tried to make up for his gambling debts by cheating the IRS. He was subsequently charged with understating his income.

5) cheated on his first wife with a married woman, and was sued by the husband of the woman he was cheating with for breaking up their marriage. Hornsby later married and divorced again, and then took up with a woman who, a few years later, committed suicide. While it is unclear if Hornsby had anything directly to do with the suicide, one probably should assume that his personality didn't help matters.

6) was estranged from his son Rogers Jr. for most of his life, and made the comment that he was glad another son, Billy, had been released early on by a minor league team because, in Hornsby's view, Billy wasn't a "real player," and "imagine how I would have felt, seeing the Hornsby name down in the batting averages with the pitchers"

7). According to Bill James, "If a contest is ever held to determine the biggest horse's ass in baseball history, there are really only seven men, four of them players, who could hope to compete at that level. The four players are Hornsby, Ty Cobb, Dick Allen, and Hal Chase. I think I might choose Hornsby."

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by timn1

yeh that was a BS comment. Might as well say f***ing judges or bailiffs or parole officers. They all have legitimate roles to play.

Let's hope it stays that way.

[bmattioli]

"There was no other reason but greed."

Hope Karma bites him back someday..

[Fred]

Anybody want to recap the sentences for Rogers, Mastro and Allen?

Rogers = 12 years. Why people think this seems a bit harsh is beyond me. He'll probably get time off the sentence. Anybody wanna bet he spends 4 years in the can (maybe less) and then gets out?

Mastro and Allen perpetrated huge fraud and I think their sentences were lighter. Perhaps Mastro was smart enough not to do any double crossing of the government.

Anybody want to guess how much it cost to prosecute these clowns? I bet it cost the tax payers more than the amount of money those guys defrauded people.

[mark evans]

I would also like to put in a word on behalf of lawyers. I practiced for 30 years, mostly with the Department of Justice, before retiring in 2005. Virtually everyone I encountered was trying his/her level best to do the right thing and without regard to political considerations.

Thanks again to Jeff, Ryan and others who have worked to uncover fraud in the hobby.


Mark

[btcarfagno]

Even scumbags are entitled to a vigorous defense. This is America. That's what separates us from most of the rest of the world.

That and really good hamburgers.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Fred

Rogers = 12 years. Why people think this seems a bit harsh is beyond me. He'll probably get time off the sentence. Anybody wanna bet he spends 4 years in the can (maybe less) and then gets out?

He'll do 85% percent of that time minus perhaps a year for completing a drug program and six months in a halfway house. So he'll be in for over 8 years.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by calvindog

He'll do 85% percent of that time minus perhaps a year for completing a drug program and six months in a halfway house. So he'll be in for over 8 years.

What are the chances he will continue fraud after he gets out(eventually)?Anyone want to guess a percentage we will never be able to confirm? In this case, I think The probability is very high unfortunately.