Not again! This is why I have a problem with PWCC!! Sorry for the rant!

[RedsFan1941]

is that the lefty grove you posted here was lost in the mail?

[Snapolit1]

One grade difference on the right card can bring a big price differential at times. However ridiculous. Not telling you anything you don’t already know.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

One grade difference on the right card can bring a big price differential at times. However ridiculous. Not telling you anything you don’t already know.

right key is POP....a babe ruth psa 4 to psa 5 in a 1933 goudey brings much bigger price difference than a 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 etc....same with t206 cobb

heck even if its the same grade..centering can be a 50% difference on cards in the 1000 dollar rage and more etc

plus you complained when you consigned cards to pwcc you dont do well...but when you sell on your own you give the cards away you say......

[sycks22]

The irony behind "I hate drama", but start a thread complaining about something. Isn't that kind of the definition of drama?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by sycks22

The irony behind "I hate drama", but start a thread complaining about something. Isn't that kind of the definition of drama?

Good one Pete.... You are correct....Is this really drama though? Or just a disgruntled man bitching about something? Not sure the two are related. And I vote for the latter.

PS - I think I was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy overdue as I haven't really bitched about anything in a long time. My apologies if my bitching is out of line.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Good one Pete.... You are correct....Is this really drama though? Or just a disgruntled man bitching about something? Not sure the two are related. And I vote for the latter.

PS - I think I was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy overdue as I haven't really bitched about anything in a long time. My apologies if my bitching is out of line.

This doesn't have to be Happy Land where everything wonderful and sweet and every transaction is wonderful. I thought your "bitching" was hardly that. Frustration.

[SAllen2556]

This card has been available as a BIN for weeks by a very reputable seller for $110, while the second card sold last night for $130.50. I was watching the PWCC card because I falsely assumed it would go for under $100. The buyer of the PWCC card had a feedback rating over 2000. This was not some novice buyer. I just don't get why someone would pay more for the same card that's been available for weeks for about 25% less than he ended up paying.

I know this card is very small potatoes, and it's not exactly apples to apples, but I wonder, overall, if it suggests some type of psychological effect that large, big name auctions have on people. The excitement of bidding in an auction where cards are selling for tens of thousands of dollars, and you're a part of that. I find it fascinating.

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[bobbyw8469]

I call it the "PWCC Effect". It would make a great college thesis. It combines elements of sociology, psychology, and business all rolled into one. It is basically the same thing Mastro did years earlier, except on maybe a larger scale, and with an added element (The PWCC HE designation is sheer marketing genius at no added cost).

[jmb]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

This card has been available as a BIN for weeks by a very reputable seller for $110, while the second card sold last night for $130.50. I was watching the PWCC card because I falsely assumed it would go for under $100. The buyer of the PWCC card had a feedback rating over 2000. This was not some novice buyer. I just don't get why someone would pay more for the same card that's been available for weeks for about 25% less than he ended up paying.

I know this card is very small potatoes, and it's not exactly apples to apples, but I wonder, overall, if it suggests some type of psychological effect that large, big name auctions have on people. The excitement of bidding in an auction where cards are selling for tens of thousands of dollars, and you're a part of that. I find it fascinating.

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The PSA card has much better centering. I'd rather have that card for an extra $20 too.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

This card has been available as a BIN for weeks by a very reputable seller for $110, while the second card sold last night for $130.50. I was watching the PWCC card because I falsely assumed it would go for under $100. The buyer of the PWCC card had a feedback rating over 2000. This was not some novice buyer. I just don't get why someone would pay more for the same card that's been available for weeks for about 25% less than he ended up paying.

I know this card is very small potatoes, and it's not exactly apples to apples, but I wonder, overall, if it suggests some type of psychological effect that large, big name auctions have on people. The excitement of bidding in an auction where cards are selling for tens of thousands of dollars, and you're a part of that. I find it fascinating.

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I had about 70 T202 PSA 5s....i can tell you the 75-200 price point happens all the time on those. If i listed a BIN...nobody would offer 150..but if several cards were listed in the same auction...for the convenience some buyers would just purchase a few (30 dollars over market) to go with the the rest of the cards they wanted. There are a lot more factors then who the seller is.

I can also tell you i had some of these t202 listed at a start price fo $120 with no takers...but then i'd list them again at 80 dollars and they would get bid to $150...

sometimes certain buyers are willing to pay more on a certain day..other times there are buyers that get a big windfall.......

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right key is POP....a babe ruth psa 4 to psa 5 in a 1933 goudey brings much bigger price difference than a 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 etc....same with t206 cobb

heck even if its the same grade..centering can be a 50% difference on cards in the 1000 dollar rage and more etc

plus you complained when you consigned cards to pwcc you dont do well...but when you sell on your own you give the cards away you say......

When I sell myself, I give cards away...more than if they sold with PWCC. When my cards do poorly with PWCC, it is when they have multiples of the same card, same grade up for auction. Maybe there is an ulterior motive why they dont do well, but that has been discussed ad naseum. No need to rehash THAT aspect of it again.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

When I sell myself, I give cards away...more than if they sold with PWCC. When my cards do poorly with PWCC, it is when they have multiples of the same card, same grade up for auction. Maybe there is an ulterior motive why they dont do well, but that has been discussed ad naseum. No need to rehash THAT aspect of it again.

A return waiting to happen.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Leon

A return waiting to happen.

?? Not following you Leon.....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

?? Not following you Leon.....

If you sold "yourself" whomever bought you would return you.

[edjs]

I remember that thread, I never saw that you posted resolution for that. Maybe people thought it was your stolen card? I wouldn't bid on a card I thought was stolen, but if I thought it was stolen, I would have notified you when I saw it. Did anyone alert you of it listed on e-bay?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by edjs

I remember that thread, I never saw that you posted resolution for that. Maybe people thought it was your stolen card? I wouldn't bid on a card I thought was stolen, but if I thought it was stolen, I would have notified you when I saw it. Did anyone alert you of it listed on e-bay?

Yes..same card.....I don't know if he wants me to out him here, but a fellow board member helped me recover it. It was in post office "limbo" an extra week, and no one knew where it was. It all of the sudden showed up. And I proceeded to lose $400 on it. That card was jinxed from the start.

[bobbyw8469]

PS - No one alerted me off Ebay. I'm just lamenting the fact that the only sellers who get bids are PWCC and Probstein. Let's face reality. Any other seller who lists cards for .99 cents just DOES NOT get the bids that those two gets. They run the risk of selling their items for peanuts. That's the facts.

[scooter729]

Bobby, I don't know you other than from your posts on here, but it always seems like there is some drama involved with all of your transactions. Either every one of your cards sells too low, or something is lost then mysteriously appears, or whatever. Seems like a lot of drama around every situation.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, potential buyers are aware of the drama which tends to follow you, and might shy away from your listings, to avoid getting sucked into a potential scenario? All it might take is one buyer to get soured and stay away, and maybe he would've caused the final price to be $900 instead of $730. Is it worth the posts complaining about things, to lose money on a sale?

Like I said, I don't recall any transactions with you and don't have any personal negative experience, but maybe pump the brakes a bit on the drama, as it certainly could have a negative impact by causing potential buyers to look elsewhere....

[Rhotchkiss]

Bobby, last night I lost out ona PWCC auction for a T206 Mathewson White Cap PSA 7. This was the same exact card that sold on Ebay by Greg Morris Auctions, a few weeks prior, for a tad under $8,000. I was the underbidder at $12,135!! The auction closed at $12,236. So, here PWCC gets over $4000 more for the same exact card as another (fairly large) Ebay seller got just a few weeks prior.

And, I had a very nice PSA 6 in the same card that I bought for $3,200 and recently traded as part of a larger trade. I doubt I could have gotten $3,200 out of the card if I listed it on ebay. It is a real pretty 6, but the premium from a 6 to a 7 (both equal to grade) is HUGE given the player and scarcity of the card. And, no doubt if I had listed the PSA 6 in an ebay auction, I would have gotten far less than if PWCC listed it; partly because I have no ebay presence (a mere 50 feedback) and PWCC does, and partly because, well, there just seems to be some odd stuff that sometimes occurs in those ebay auctions.....

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Bobby, last night I lost out ona PWCC auction for a T206 Mathewson White Cap PSA 7. This was the same exact card that sold on Ebay by Greg Morris Auctions, a few weeks prior, for a tad under $8,000. I was the underbidder at $12,135!! The auction closed at $12,236. So, here PWCC gets over $4000 more for the same exact card as another (fairly large) Ebay seller got just a few weeks prior.

And, I had a very nice PSA 6 in the same card that I bought for $3,200 and recently traded as part of a larger trade. I doubt I could have gotten $3,200 out of the card if I listed it on ebay. It is a real pretty 6, but the premium from a 6 to a 7 (both equal to grade) is HUGE given the player and scarcity of the card. And, no doubt if I had listed the PSA 6 in an ebay auction, I would have gotten far less than if PWCC listed it; partly because I have no ebay presence (a mere 50 feedback) and PWCC does, and partly because, well, there just seems to be some odd stuff that sometimes occurs in those ebay auctions.....

That is mind boggling to me. That one person has that much dominance over other sellers.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by scooter729

Bobby, I don't know you other than from your posts on here, but it always seems like there is some drama involved with all of your transactions. Either every one of your cards sells too low, or something is lost then mysteriously appears, or whatever. Seems like a lot of drama around every situation.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, potential buyers are aware of the drama which tends to follow you, and might shy away from your listings, to avoid getting sucked into a potential scenario? All it might take is one buyer to get soured and stay away, and maybe he would've caused the final price to be $900 instead of $730. Is it worth the posts complaining about things, to lose money on a sale?

Like I said, I don't recall any transactions with you and don't have any personal negative experience, but maybe pump the brakes a bit on the drama, as it certainly could have a negative impact by causing potential buyers to look elsewhere....

That appears to be a made up assumption, as the card that was "lost" was only the 2nd one "lost" in over a 20 year career. Pretty good track record. And for you to think I am "drama filled" tells me you know nothing about me at all. I am one of the LEAST drama filled people there is. I HATE drama! Im also one of the most professional people you can deal with. Just ask anyone who has done a group sub with me.

[kailes2872]

Originally Posted by scooter729

Bobby, I don't know you other than from your posts on here, but it always seems like there is some drama involved with all of your transactions. Either every one of your cards sells too low, or something is lost then mysteriously appears, or whatever. Seems like a lot of drama around every situation.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, potential buyers are aware of the drama which tends to follow you, and might shy away from your listings, to avoid getting sucked into a potential scenario? All it might take is one buyer to get soured and stay away, and maybe he would've caused the final price to be $900 instead of $730. Is it worth the posts complaining about things, to lose money on a sale?

Like I said, I don't recall any transactions with you and don't have any personal negative experience, but maybe pump the brakes a bit on the drama, as it certainly could have a negative impact by causing potential buyers to look elsewhere....

I have had good transactions with Bobby. His prices are good (too good probably if you ask him &#128513. He ships quickly, and communicates throughout the process. In addition, he runs group subs and puts in the time and energy to ensure everyone is satisfied.

Much of the stuff that he “complains about” is stuff that would frustrate me as well. He just states it better than I can. The world is full of bad guys and drama queens. He is definitely one of the good ones.

[VoodooChild]

I consigned a bunch of cards to PWCC including T206 PSA 2-3 commons which I paid $25-35 for. Those T206's consistently sold for $50 and even much as $75 at their auction. How do you explain that? I did not shill and there are BINs on eBay for less. So the only explanation is that people get caught up with their auction "experience".