Altered PSA C55 Vezina

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

Interesting!

Also interesting that the SGC 3, after it was "worked" over only received a 2 from PSA?
The "work" maybe went a little farther than expected and had a opposite effect?

Even the best doctors lose occasionally. Let's talk about postage though.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even the best doctors lose occasionally. Let's talk about postage though.

Yes, that is far more important than doctored/worked over cards, by far!

Speaking of which, do you remember that card that had the bent corner which was returned and repaired with no change in the grade?

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by irv

Yes, that is far more important than doctored/worked over cards, by far!

Speaking of which, do you remember that card that had the bent corner which was returned and repaired with no change in the grade?

I sure do! In my book that was one of the most incredible revelations I've read on this board- PSA flattened down a corner they'd bent- then returned it with a
Grade of Mint 9. No one else seemed to have blinked but I'll never forget that thread.

[swarmee]

Are you sure it was a 9; thought it was a 7 or 8 at the time.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Are you sure it was a 9; thought it was a 7 or 8 at the time.

I'm sure it was high grade. The post is deeply buried in another thread, possibly in Cortney's first empty threat PWCC rant ( which in itself was a classic because all of the chest pounding , name calling and inability to figure out how to post his damning evidence).

[Stampsfan]

I kinda throw up a little in my mouth when I think about that arrogant dick Curtney, and the drivel he posted.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

I'm sure it was high grade. The post is deeply buried in another thread, possibly in Cortney's first empty threat PWCC rant ( which in itself was a classic because all of the chest pounding , name calling and inability to figure out how to post his damning evidence).

Here you go. I think it slipped under the radar of most.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=227030

[Anish]

Originally Posted by botn

If you have not read through this thread http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=234837, then you should. I recreated the submission that contained the card that was topic of that thread. I found before pictures on some and posted them. All of the cards in the submission were listed in that current auction.

Similarly, the Vezina is also cleaned up and was part of a larger submission and conveniently most if not all of the cards from the submission are in the current batch of listings. I did not recreate the whole submission because I got bored but here is a small run.

It is not rocket science to figure out what is going on over at PWCC.

27898937 E98 Wagner PSA 2.5
27898938 E95 Cobb PSA 2
27898939 E95 Mathewson PSA 4.5
27898940 D304 Cobb PSA 1.5
27898941 E90-1 Young PSA 4.5
27898942 C55 Vezina PSA 4.5
27898943 N300 Anson PSA 5
27898944 T206 Griffith Port PSA 4
27898945 T206 Joss Pitching PSA 3.5
27898946 T206 Lajoie Port PSA 4
27898947 T206 Evers Bat Chi On Shirt PSA 5
27898948 T206 Chance Red PSA 4
27898949 T206 Young Port PSA 3.5
27898950 T206 McGinnity PSA 4
27898951 T206 Young Bare Hands PSA 4
27898952 T206 Lajoie Port PSA 1
27898953 T206 Waddell Port PSA 4
27898954 T206 Dahlen PSA 4.5
27898955 T206 Joss Pitching PSA 5
27898956 T206 Johnson Port PSA 2
27898957 T206 Young Bare Hands PSA 4
27898958 T206 Cobb Bat Off PSA 2
27898959 T206 Cobb Red PSA 4
27898960 No Grade
27898961 T206 Cobb Bat On PSA 2.5
27898962 T206 O'Hara Stl PSA 4
27898963 T206 Demmitt PSA 4
27898964 T206 Cobb Green PSA 3
27898965 N162 Dunlap PSA 4.5
27898966 No Grade
27898967 N28 Kelley PSA 4
27898968 N28 Kelley PSA 5.5
27898969 N28 Comiskey PSA 5
27898970 N28 Clarkson PSA 4.5
27898971 N28 Anson PSA 4
27898972 N28 Anson PSA 4
27898973 N28 Clarkson PSA 6
27898974 N28 Oakley PSA 7
27898975 T227 Cobb PSA 3.5
27898976 T227 Cobb PSA 4
27898977 1915 CJ Baker PSA 3

Yes, I have read through that thread. Thank you for the information.

Originally Posted by conor912

Here you go. I think it slipped under the radar of most.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=227030

Wow. That's appalling.

After some back and forth, PWCC has said they will be returning the card to the consignor.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

I sure do! In my book that was one of the most incredible revelations I've read on this board- PSA flattened down a corner they'd bent- then returned it with a
Grade of Mint 9. No one else seemed to have blinked but I'll never forget that thread.

It's not that everyone didn't see it, it is that no one cares. Otherwise very intelligent people turn to blithering idiots or just turn a blind eye to all the bad things in our hobby. It is why the con artist are so plentiful, the baseball card/memorabilia community goes out of it's way to help them out as much as possible.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

It's not that everyone didn't see it, it is that no one cares. Otherwise very intelligent people turn to blithering idiots or just turn a blind eye to all the bad things in our hobby. It is why the con artist are so plentiful, the baseball card/memorabilia community goes out of it's way to help them out as much as possible.

Stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff. The common criminals that pervade the hobby surely are laughing at us, all the way to the bank. As one card doctor said, I am giving guys what they want.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff. The common criminals that pervade the hobby surely are laughing at us, all the way to the bank. As one card doctor said, I am giving guys what they want.

Yeah but it's fun to watch everyone work up a good lather anyway.

You get what you put up with.

[Anish]

I believe this was a Brent Moser special from a couple years ago.

I remember Brent’s response at the time was that restoring cards was common practice and that restoration need not be disclosed.

I also remember a BVG Altered Vezina that was removed from the slab and listed without any disclosure.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even the best doctors lose occasionally. Let's talk about postage though.

I can pull off a two for one here. We have a member that says PWCC has the best shipping.