Tobacco carton labels

[renoch01]

Thanks Ben, the sad thing if I post something richard has not seen it must be fake. The fact that he can't understand is no one can know or have seen everything. Have to feel bad for people like that.

[rdwyer]

Leon, I don't appreciate the name calling. Reprimand him.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Leon, I don't appreciate the name calling. Reprimand him.

It wasn't that big of a deal. Just move on to another thread. I doubt that renoch (hi Rich) will follow you around and give you a hard time. I have been doing this a few years too. I am undecided on some and some are obviously 40s and later. Some of the designs are similar to contemporary packs the cards came in but I also understand many tobacco packages were reproduced in subsequent decades from when they were first put out. (and had similar type designs but not exact)

ps...Rich - be nice.

[renoch01]

Ok Leon. Thanks

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by renoch01

Thanks Ben, the sad thing if I post something richard has not seen it must be fake. The fact that he can't understand is no one can know or have seen everything. Have to feel bad for people like that.

Don't take it personal we do see a lot of fake crap on here. Richard is a good guy and is giving his honest opinion. Maybe he is right maybe he is wrong I don't know but I am sure he is not doing it to be an ass.

[renoch01]

Thanks Ben. Don't mind someone calling it fake but to continue with out proof and the only thing to go on is because they have not seen it so must be fake. They might not be real but Joe also has proofs of some of the company's along with a lot of one of a kind items THAT ARE REAL and going to high price buyers. I found these today while going through one of the boxes. I need more than have not seen and Joe pushing eighty would have posted here. I posted for information but they will be sent to experts to confirm.

[Tao_Moko]

Would be a shame for this thread to get derailed by hurt feelings and tattle tales. It's a breath of fresh air to see something other than hyper linked ebay listings and tpg complaints. How about encouragimg more images and dialogue.

To the poster - What are your intentions with this collection? Are you going to auction, keep or sell off piece by piece?

[oaks1912]

The Giesenhagen book on Cigarette packs was a wonderful book for that hobby which came out about 20 years ago. It was not mass produced, and although there is likely some misinformation, by and large its a must have for any serious collector of cigarette packs. Much along the lines of the American Card Catalog, there are some errors and misleading information in that work. Giesenhagen was not a sports collector, so there would be no reason for him to come to net54 and share his stories with the very small percentage of sports collectors that have an interest in cigarette packs

[canjond]

Some of the tobacco carton labels are from the 1910s-20s and they are original. I have many of the same in my collection and I know where they were sourced from originally. They obviously don't carry the same value (or close to it) or "coolness" of the packs, but they are neat companion pieces.

- Jon

[renoch01]

Thank you Jon & Mark for the information.


Is there any place to find approximate values on these ?

[canjond]

Putting values on the carton labels are tough because you have a much more limited audience and they are only companion pieces. For example, I purchased my Tolstoi label identical to yours for about $25-$30 maybe 10 years ago, but I wouldn't think values changed all that much. They are cool, but it's not really something I'd expect to bring big bucks.

FWIW, I understand these originated with a man who worked with the US patent office who passed away many years ago (I don't want to disclose his name). A lot of his collection had the original entry dates on them from when they were registered. None of it walked out the door - he saved the items from the scrap heap after the registration samples were no longer needed or when there were multiples in the files.

(PS - Henry - if you're seeing this, is that your understanding as well?)

[Mdmtx]

Originally Posted by canjond

Some of the tobacco carton labels are from the 1910s-20s and they are original. I have many of the same in my collection and I know where they were sourced from originally. They obviously don't carry the same value (or close to it) or "coolness" of the packs, but they are neat companion pieces.

- Jon

Mr. Dwyer,

Please disconnect your keyboard as I requested. Mr. Canfield has the opinion that they are original tobacco carton labels. My best advice to is an old saying “it is better to be quiet and just look stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.

Mark Medlin

[renoch01]

Rich I have to feel sorry for you because after dealing with you for the first time there is no way anyone can believe anything you say along with have any respect for you. You can’t even read the post in the thread you are posting in. You need to change hobbies.

[canjond]

I'm a bit confused by the posts but again, the carton labels posted above, in my opinion, are original and span many decades, but some are definately from the teens (Lenox and Tolstoi to name 2 of them). As I mentioned above, I understand most of these came to the hobby from the registration files at the US Patent and Trademark Office. Here is my Tolstoi, for example, that came directly from the gentleman I believe Joe got his from.