Autographed Card Sold As Is

[Lordstan]

Forget it. I found the Vance
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Fleer-D...p2047675.l2557

Edit: After looking at his completed auctions you should return them immediately. He has sold soooooooooooooo many fakes it is ridiculous. I mean come on he sold a Tommy Connolly 3x5 for $65. Really? $65. This guy is the Coaches Corner of eBay

[bender07]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Forget it. I found the Vance
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Fleer-D...p2047675.l2557

Edit: After looking at his completed auctions you should return them immediately. He has sold soooooooooooooo many fakes it is ridiculous. I mean come one he sold a Tommy Connolly 3x5 for $65> Really $65. This guys is the Coaches Corner of eBay

Agreed! Total garbage.

[RichardSimon]

OMG what a pile of crap.
OP how could you buy that crap. That is how these guys stay in business.

[mr2686]

Jeff, here's the problem. When you find something that's hard to find to complete a project, you can (if you're not careful) want it to be real so badly that you'll find all kinds of excuses why the signer was "slightly off" that day. You always need to be dispassionate in these situations and look at the autograph critically. As has been said here multiple times, the Vance is garbage. I would try to get a refund, and if you can't, then chalk it up to a lesson learned. A real one may become available some day, so be ready with the funds and the research to allow you to confidently pull the trigger.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Jeff, here's the problem. When you find something that's hard to find to complete a project, you can (if you're not careful) want it to be real so badly that you'll find all kinds of excuses why the signer was "slightly off" that day. You always need to be dispassionate in these situations and look at the autograph critically. As has been said here multiple times, the Vance is garbage. I would try to get a refund, and if you can't, then chalk it up to a lesson learned. A real one may become available some day, so be ready with the funds and the research to allow you to confidently pull the trigger.

Looks like you posted this as I was typing. You are absolutely right. I'll pursue a refund, though the listings are written such that he is maintaining plausible deniability and will likely fight it. I guess I can always drop negative feedback, though in 17 years on Ebay I've never done that.

[chaddurbin]

Should not be hard to get a refund, even without the quick opinion. eBay will side with you the buyer 100%, you are well within the refund window.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Jeff, here's the problem. When you find something that's hard to find to complete a project, you can (if you're not careful) want it to be real so badly that you'll find all kinds of excuses why the signer was "slightly off" that day.

Guilty as charged

[T206Collector]

Maybe I am in the minority here, but when you buy something that is specifically advertised as "no COA" and "sold as is" do you think it really is fair to try to return it? I mean, you knew what you were getting yourself into, right? He didn't sell it as "go on and have it authenticated at your cost, and if it comes back fake I will refund your money."

I mean, if more people try to return this stuff and open PayPal claims, etc., then maybe you discourage the bad guys from listing fake crap. But, I would not feel comfortable forcing a refund here if the guy won't give you one after you politely ask.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Maybe I am in the minority here, but when you buy something that is specifically advertised as "no COA" and "sold as is" do you think it really is fair to try to return it? I mean, you knew what you were getting yourself into, right? He didn't sell it as "go on and have it authenticated at your cost, and if it comes back fake I will refund your money."

I mean, if more people try to return this stuff and open PayPal claims, etc., then maybe you discourage the bad guys from listing fake crap. But, I would not feel comfortable forcing a refund here if the guy won't give you one after you politely ask.

I would agree if this were a one-off from the seller. This particular seller, however, is only interested in selling garbage. My empathy would go out the window in cases such as this.

Of course, I wouldn't have gotten myself into such a situation in the first place, but that is beside the point.

Tom C

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Maybe I am in the minority here, but when you buy something that is specifically advertised as "no COA" and "sold as is" do you think it really is fair to try to return it? I mean, you knew what you were getting yourself into, right? He didn't sell it as "go on and have it authenticated at your cost, and if it comes back fake I will refund your money."

I mean, if more people try to return this stuff and open PayPal claims, etc., then maybe you discourage the bad guys from listing fake crap. But, I would not feel comfortable forcing a refund here if the guy won't give you one after you politely ask.

Well, that is why I asked. I've been on EBay since 2000 and never been in this situation. I am ready to take the loss even though this was nearly a full month of my hobby budget. Even if I end up eating my mistake, there is a follow on question regarding feedback. Does it follow the same logic, so no negative? Maybe neutral with text saying my purchases failed authentication? I am really curious how to proceed.

FWIW, I just got the quick opinion on the Lombardi. It is also "Likely Not Geniune."

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Maybe I am in the minority here, but when you buy something that is specifically advertised as "no COA" and "sold as is" do you think it really is fair to try to return it? I mean, you knew what you were getting yourself into, right? He didn't sell it as "go on and have it authenticated at your cost, and if it comes back fake I will refund your money."

I mean, if more people try to return this stuff and open PayPal claims, etc., then maybe you discourage the bad guys from listing fake crap. But, I would not feel comfortable forcing a refund here if the guy won't give you one after you politely ask.

No COA and sold as is are the scammers credo. Those words do not justify anything when a scammer is involved.
Get a refund, neg feedback this seller.

[Klrdds]

I am sorry to tell you that the Vance is not even close to bring good . Educate yourself about Vance's signature because it is very commonly forged for someone in the middle of the spectrum of HOFers autographs . Also I have never seen a Fleer card signed by Vance that was good .

[theshleps]

When you buy on ebay look at the sellers other items and if any look bad stay away from all to play it safe. Like the Greenberg ball and Kluszweski ball are awful that he has.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Klrdds

I am sorry to tell you that the Vance is not even close to bring good . Educate yourself about Vance's signature because it is very commonly forged for someone in the middle of the spectrum of HOFers autographs . Also I have never seen a Fleer card signed by Vance that was good .

If it appears to good to be true, it probably is. I had a feeling I got out ahead of my skis on that one. I went ahead and submitted for a quick opinion on the two autos anyways since I figure it will be easier to request a refund/return with an official opinion.

I stayed pretty disciplined on 1963 Fleer, but that was easier since the subjects were contemporary players at the time. But 1960 and 1961 featured retired players, many for quite a long time. The risk is, obviously, higher and I should have stuck to my plan. Lesson learned.