Goldin

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

To reiterate what I put in a previous post it is hard for me to fathom they would bring more money than George Washington's personal annotated copy of the Constitution and proposed Bill of Rights, which sold for just shy of $10mil in 2012.

If an African-American celebrity/celebrities get into a bidding war, it could.........

[OsFan]

Wow

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

If an African-American celebrity/celebrities get into a bidding war, it could.........

I don't think the appeal would be limited to African-Americans.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think the appeal would be limited to African-Americans.

Agreed!!! Didn't mean to limit it to that.......

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

If an African-American celebrity/celebrities get into a bidding war, it could.........

Maybe, but even 1 of 3 senate copies of the 13th amendment brought only (relatively speaking) 2.4mil in Sotheby's last year.

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/...88/lot.79.html

It isn't my job to come up with estimates, so the experts may see something I don't.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Maybe, but even 1 of 3 senate copies of the 13th amendment brought only (relatively speaking) 2.4mil in Sotheby's last year.

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/...88/lot.79.html

It isn't my job to come up with estimates, so the experts may see something I don't.

There is something more visceral with regard to the civil rights movement however. While the 13th amendment ended the practice of slavery, the fact that 80+ years later Jackie Robinson's introduction to professional whites only baseball was such a major event speaks to the efficacy of the 13th amendment in terms of actual civil rights in practice. These two contracts played an enormous part in pushing forward civil rights in America. They are also tied to and signed by a beloved figure in recent American history. I don't know that they will go for $10 mil. I think there is a good chance that they will if the right people know about the auction.

Tom C

[earlywynnfan]

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

haha. I am sure Topps and Panini are already trying to work on their finances to get it done.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

That made me laugh and throw up in my mouth a little.

Tom C

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

There is something more visceral with regard to the civil rights movement however. While the 13th amendment ended the practice of slavery, the fact that 80+ years later Jackie Robinson's introduction to professional whites only baseball was such a major event speaks to the efficacy of the 13th amendment in terms of actual civil rights in practice. These two contracts played an enormous part in pushing forward civil rights in America. They are also tied to and signed by a beloved figure in recent American history. I don't know that they will go for $10 mil. I think there is a good chance that they will if the right people know about the auction.

Tom C

I understand all of that, but you statement at the end expressing your potential doubt of the estimate is what I am talking about. These could go for 3x the 13 amendment and still not break the 10mil mark.

This is merely a thought provoking conversation as the answer will be known soon enough and we, potentially ,will have a new precedent for what an historical document could sell for.

[botn]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This is merely a thought provoking conversation as the answer will be known soon enough and we, potentially ,will have a new precedent for what an historical document could sell for.

“We look forward to an electric night of bidding on November 16th, but if the right buyer comes forward before the auction and can ensure these documents will be shared with the public, we’ll certainly consider a private sale.” At which point we might never get the answer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by botn

“We look forward to an electric night of bidding on November 16th, but if the right buyer comes forward before the auction and can ensure these documents will be shared with the public, we’ll certainly consider a private sale.” At which point we might never get the answer.

I have never heard of an auction like that, are there precedents?

To answer my own question, it looks like the same thing happened with Piazza's 9/11 jersey last year.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...cly-displayed/

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have never heard of an auction like that, are there precedents?

Glad I am not the only one to find the quote somewhat puzzling.

[alexanderautographs]

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[Jenx34]

Whatever happened to this? Is it up for auction now or being auctioned later this month? I didn't see it in Goldin's current auction.

[puckpaul]

I would rather have his first Dodgers jersey thannthe contracts. Jerseys help you feel the game and him actually playing, to me, surpasses the contracts. But that is me! Love jerseys.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I would rather have his first Dodgers jersey thannthe contracts. Jerseys help you feel the game and him actually playing, to me, surpasses the contracts. But that is me! Love jerseys.

That was my guess....and I would agree with you. It helps the $10 mil cause that there are two super important contracts and not just one.

Tom C

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I would rather have his first Dodgers jersey thannthe contracts. Jerseys help you feel the game and him actually playing, to me, surpasses the contracts. But that is me! Love jerseys.

+1

Steve

[Bliggity]

Auction preview just went up. Minimum opening bid on the Jackie contract is $15 million, which is $18 million with the juice.

Wonder if that's just for attention and will come lower before the auction actually goes live.

[hshrimps]

That item is just being used as a promotion vehicle. Period.