OT: Pirates avenge Harvey Haddix game

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...all_no-hitters

According to wiki, and assuming I counted correctly, there have been 113 no hitters since 1973.
AL - 51
NL - 55
Interleague - 7

Its really only been the last 5 seasons that the NL has dominated the no-hitter scene. From 1973 thru 2012 there were more slightly more AL no-hitters.

5 years is an eternity in terms of changes. Ask Bonds and Mcgwire and when ground rule doubles used to be home runs i believe.

You are correct the NL has dominated the no hitter scene. Thats why they arent' worth the same as AL. 19 of the last 21 no hitters in NL parks? Plus its about a 7-1 ratio in terms of 7 inning almost no hitters Talking about 1975 is the same thing as talking about 1933 right now. Those are both ancient history.

I've been talking about this for awhile and the pace keeps corroborated what I have been saying. Like i been saying, lets see two AL no hitters occur back to back and you wont hear anything else from me on this subject.

[darwinbulldog]

I'll do better. I have a PSA 2 1955 Topps Clemente that says at least 2 of the next 5 no-hitters will be in the AL. Do you have anything comparable to put up?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

I'll do better. I have a PSA 2 1955 Topps Clemente that says at least 2 of the next 5 no-hitters will be in the AL. Do you have anything comparable to put up?

Haha.that bascially means that putting your money where your mouth means 40% of the next 5 no hitters will be in the AL....thats not a strong statement in saying that NL /AL no hitters are basically the same......If you want to go since 1973 people are saying its even basically. I was giving NL no hitters .9 of the value of AL no hitters.

I bascically tired of the almost no hitter for NL contests. Rich Hill has 2 of them in the past year. Marlins had a no hitter last game of the year by the great Henderson Alverez not long ago..and Edison Volquez this year. Its getting pretty ridiculous..

Id rather give up 1 hit then walk 4 guys with no hits..but thats another issue..

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Haha.that bascially means that putting your money where your mouth means 40% of the next 5 no hitters will be in the AL....thats not a strong statement in saying that NL /AL no hitters are basically the same......If you want to go since 1973 people are saying its even basically. I was giving NL no hitters .9 of the value of AL no hitters.

I bascically tired of the almost no hitter for NL contests. Rich Hill has 2 of them in the past year. Marlins had a no hitter last game of the year by the great Henderson Alverez not long ago..and Edison Volquez this year. Its getting pretty ridiculous..

Id rather give up 1 hit then walk 4 guys with no hits..but thats another issue..

Rob's right. What you said is "far superior" not "10% better" or anything like that, and I'm perfectly happy to win the wager if the AL gives us 60% or 80% or 100% of the next 5 no-hitters, but I thought given that you were making the case that about 90% of no hitters now come from the NL that you'd have been delighted with the terms of my offer. It appears that I was wrong. No problem. If anyone else is interested though, you know where to find me. Offer stands.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Rob's right. What you said is "far superior" not "10% better" or anything like that, and I'm perfectly happy to win the wager if the AL gives us 60% or 80% or 100% of the next 5 no-hitters, but I thought given that you were making the case that about 90% of no hitters now come from the NL that you'd have been delighted with the terms of my offer. It appears that I was wrong. No problem. If anyone else is interested though, you know where to find me. Offer stands.

Well i been saying an NL no hitter is .9 of an AL no hitter......so yeah you were wrong. I would do 4 of the next 6 would be in the NL but thats just too many years to deal with.

As far as perfect games occurring in the AL more than the NL......all perfect games are no hitters...you going to need a no hitter to get a perfect games..ill take the odds of whats happened 19 of the last 21 or so times....

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

if you'd said 2013 and not 1973, there'd be no argument. But you wrote 1973, so it can be debated whether or not 55-51 is "far superior"

right..given that 19 of the last 21 occurred after 1973 thats nothing to be overlooked....heck when i started this debate a year or so ago it was 51-51 ...its not like the fact that the 4 more recent no hitters have been in the NL (and a litany of almost no hitters) have hurt the argument.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I would do 4 of the next 6 would be in the NL but thats just too many years to deal with.

Alright fine. How about this? If, between today and the end of the 2019 regular season, there have not been at least 4 NL no-hitters and there have not been at least 3 AL no-hitters, the wager is cancelled. Let me know what you're putting up, and I'll let you know if I accept. Everyone here's a witness. Leon can nominate someone to hold onto the cards in the meantime and then send them to the winner or return them to us when either the bet is won or has expired.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

5 years is an eternity in terms of changes. Ask Bonds and Mcgwire and when ground rule doubles used to be home runs i believe.

You are correct the NL has dominated the no hitter scene. Thats why they arent' worth the same as AL. 19 of the last 21 no hitters in NL parks? Plus its about a 7-1 ratio in terms of 7 inning almost no hitters Talking about 1975 is the same thing as talking about 1933 right now. Those are both ancient history.

I've been talking about this for awhile and the pace keeps corroborated what I have been saying. Like i been saying, lets see two AL no hitters occur back to back and you wont hear anything else from me on this subject.

You were the one that brought up 1973 and you have been proven wrong. Now if you want to amend your argument and say NL no hitters since 2012 don't count as much...

[packs]

What does worth more even mean? What is it you want to see happen? Should an AL pitcher get 2 wins, 2 complete games, and 2 shut outs for every no hitter? And should an NL pitcher have to pitch 2 no hitters to be credited with one? I just can't understand what the argument is.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

What does worth more even mean? What is it you want to see happen? Should an AL pitcher get 2 wins, 2 complete games, and 2 shut outs for every no hitter? And should an NL pitcher have to pitch 2 no hitters to be credited with one? I just can't understand what the argument is.

I stated that an NL no hitter should be worth more than a AL no hitter and not given equal praise. All i hear about is how they are the same but its clear now that they arent...19 of of last 21 or so no hitters being in the NL isnt a trend anymore... Since i made my first post about this on net54 there have been 3 or 4 NL no hitters and zero AL ones, that doesnt exactly refute my argument.


If it gets to 40 of 44 ..we are supposed to throw a parade of the NL no hitter? When will it be unreasonable? Never?

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I stated that an NL no hitter should be worth more than a AL no hitter and not given equal praise. All i hear about is how they are the same but its clear now that they arent...19 of of last 21 or so no hitters being in the NL isnt a trend anymore... Since i made my first post about this on net54 there have been 3 or 4 NL no hitters and zero AL ones, that doesnt exactly refute my argument.


If it gets to 40 of 44 ..we are supposed to throw a parade of the NL no hitter? When will it be unreasonable? Never?

But what does worth more mean? What do you want to see happen?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

But what does worth more mean? What do you want to see happen?

Well Stanton right now is trying to break the 'real' home run record of 61..but it wont be official....there wont be anything happening there.....same thing with NL no hitters being as 'real' as AL no hitters...... it is what it is..

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Well Stanton right now is trying to break the 'real' home run record of 61..but it wont be official....there wont be anything happening there.....same thing with NL no hitters being as 'real' as AL no hitters...... it is what it is..

If you don't give up a hit, isn't that a no hitter? How much more real could it get?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by rats60

You were the one that brought up 1973 and you have been proven wrong. Now if you want to amend your argument and say NL no hitters since 2012 don't count as much...

How was i proven wrong? There have been more NL no hitter than AL hitters..and even more so now. I didnt say NL no hitters shouldnt count...i said they are worth .9 as much and the stats show now that I may be giving the AL too much credit.