This 52 Mantle card really gets around

[WWG]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/401356587832...p2471758.m4704

https://goldinauctions.com/1952_Topp...-LOT25690.aspx

http://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/b...e?itemid=37204

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...Auction-120115

[Rich Klein]

This is a 2nd Year Mantle -- Rookie is 51 Bowman

Rich

[swarmee]

Pretty impressive.

01/16/2016 Memory Lane ("Empire State Collection" flip): $199,565 (includes BP)
10/02/2016 Goldin: $300,000 (includes BP)
02/27/2017 Heritage: $228,000 (includes BP)
07/09/2017 PWCC eBay: ???

If the BP is ~20%, and each successive consignor was the buyer at the last price, the first guy made $40K, the second guy lost $118K, and the third guy will only have to pay 8% or so to Brent as a BP.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Pretty impressive.

01/16/2016 Memory Lane ("Empire State Collection" flip): $199,565 (includes BP)
10/02/2016 Goldin: $300,000 (includes BP)
02/27/2017 Heritage: $228,000 (includes BP)
07/09/2017 PWCC eBay: ???

If the BP is ~20%, and each successive consignor was the buyer at the last price, the first guy made $40K, the second guy lost $118K, and the third guy will only have to pay 8% or so to Brent as a BP.

your forgetting one thing the $100 in Ebay Bucks winning bidder gets
which is probably less than he pays for Breakfast for him and his buddies at his private Golf Club.
These guys have millions of $$$ in excess cash burning a hole in their pockets . this card will most likley be doing the rounds again, till one of the high rollers decides to keep it for a while .Owning a High PSA Graded 52 Topps Mantle for a few hundred grand is not a big deal, to them any way.

[Mountaineer1999]

200K on this card or 200k in the SPY etf, who is the winner in 15 years?

[samosa4u]

Yep. These are the b*stards who screwed the hobby up. Now thanks to them, 99% of people can't even afford these types of cards anymore. Oh, and by the way, do these super-rich guys even CARE about sports? I mean, if I was filthy rich, and I loved baseball, then I would at least KEEP this Mantle and ENJOY it for a few years, right?

[WWG]

[quote=rich klein;1676352]this is a 2nd year mantle -- rookie is 51 bowman

rich[/quote]

topps rookie

[darwinbulldog]

Can we call the '52 Topps Jackie Robinson's Topps rookie also, or do we have different rules for Mantle?

[rainier2004]

I guess there's different rules for Mantle...I do not understand this.

[darwinbulldog]

Anybody want to give me $250 for Nolan Ryan's Donruss rookie?

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by WWG

[quote=rich klein;1676352]this is a 2nd year mantle -- rookie is 51 bowman

rich

topps rookie[/QUOTE]

No. First Topps card.

Regards,

Larry

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

This is a 2nd Year Mantle -- Rookie is 51 Bowman

Rich

Asolutamundo!

Larry

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

This is a 2nd Year Mantle -- Rookie is 51 Bowman

Rich

Do we really need to have this mindless, endless debate every time someone calls the '52 Topps Mantle a RC?

I'm quite sure EVERYONE on this forum knows and understands this, and has their opinion. However, someone always has to chime in on this, like they're the only one who truly understands this great hobby conundrum, and feels compelled to enlighten everyone with their vast expertise.

[WWG]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

Do we really need to have this mindless, endless debate every time someone calls the '52 Topps Mantle a RC?

I'm quite sure EVERYONE on this forum knows and understands this, and has their opinion. However, someone always has to chime in on this, like they're the only one who truly understands this great hobby conundrum, and feels compelled to enlighten everyone with their vast expertise.

Thank God someone understands that this post is about how this particular card gets sold frequently and wasn't intended to start a "ROOKIE" debate.

Oh no! I used the word God, did I just open up a "RELIGIOUS" can of worms.

[Econteachert205]

The commoditization of baseball cards is a temporary phenomenon that began in the 1970s and in my opinion will end for the most part in the 2070's. There simply are too many cards and insufficient replacement of dying collectors. Cards are not art or coins. They do not have intrinsic value and are not created as one off expressions. Like stamps, which have already gone through this process, the ultra valuable with remain so, but 95 percent of the rest will be worth pennies on the dollar. The mantle will always be valuable, but how many 16 year olds right now will desire one at those prices upon entering adulthood? I'd love one, having been a collector, but at 35, I have no interest in spending that sort of money, nor can I, on a piece of cardboard of which there are many copies.

[Leon]

As I tell out-of-the-hobby folks at the shows I set up at, if you look at the hobby as "spending" the money on cards it can be seen as a waste and indulgence. However, if done the smart way, they can be an investment and part of any portfolio. And in 2070 I will be 109 yrs old and hopefully not still typing at this keyboard nor worrying about the value of my cards.

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

The commoditization of baseball cards is a temporary phenomenon that began in the 1970s and in my opinion will end for the most part in the 2070's. There simply are too many cards and insufficient replacement of dying collectors. Cards are not art or coins. They do not have intrinsic value and are not created as one off expressions. Like stamps, which have already gone through this process, the ultra valuable with remain so, but 95 percent of the rest will be worth pennies on the dollar. The mantle will always be valuable, but how many 16 year olds right now will desire one at those prices upon entering adulthood? I'd love one, having been a collector, but at 35, I have no interest in spending that sort of money, nor can I, on a piece of cardboard of which there are many copies.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

The commoditization of baseball cards is a temporary phenomenon that began in the 1970s and in my opinion will end for the most part in the 2070's. There simply are too many cards and insufficient replacement of dying collectors. Cards are not art or coins. They do not have intrinsic value and are not created as one off expressions. Like stamps, which have already gone through this process, the ultra valuable with remain so, but 95 percent of the rest will be worth pennies on the dollar. The mantle will always be valuable, but how many 16 year olds right now will desire one at those prices upon entering adulthood? I'd love one, having been a collector, but at 35, I have no interest in spending that sort of money, nor can I, on a piece of cardboard of which there are many copies.

why do people bother collecting any thing , basically its a hobby , some times it turns into a passion , some times it turns into an addiction ,
some times people collect for what to them seems like sound investment reasons some times they pan out some times they don't.
There are thousands of worse things that you can spend disposable income on and not have anything to show for it. Spending $1000s on a piece of cardboard may seem stupid to many people, but thats the beauty of collecting there is always some one who will appreciate what you have and share their enthusiasm with you. Bottom line it a hobby have fun with it.
if you have the money to buy higher priced items then good luck to you.
if you rather spend money on "Wine Women and Song" or anything else then go for it.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

The commoditization of baseball cards is a temporary phenomenon that began in the 1970s and in my opinion will end for the most part in the 2070's. There simply are too many cards and insufficient replacement of dying collectors. Cards are not art or coins. They do not have intrinsic value and are not created as one off expressions. Like stamps, which have already gone through this process, the ultra valuable with remain so, but 95 percent of the rest will be worth pennies on the dollar. The mantle will always be valuable, but how many 16 year olds right now will desire one at those prices upon entering adulthood? I'd love one, having been a collector, but at 35, I have no interest in spending that sort of money, nor can I, on a piece of cardboard of which there are many copies.

Yuck, Yuck. Now that's a good one! Never mind that the trend has been quite consistently exactly the other way for nearly 50 years. And the first coin that sold for $10,000,000? A 1794 silver dollar graded Mint State 66 by PCGS in January, 2013. I haven't checked the value of silver per ounce lately, but the "intrinsic value" had to be what? $10,00? $20.00 max? Not terribly rare, either, if you're not that concerned with condition--140 examples estimated to have survived, with very nice examples apt to grade Fine to Very Fine. That same coin, in extremely fine, was valued at $25,000 in 1980, $125,000 in 2003, and $150,000 in 2005--maybe a trend--heavens, even a collectible trend--at work? Maybe other truly classic collectibles might be susceptible to those very same trends??? Maybe it might have something to do with history, since the 1794 dollar was the first coin of that denomination made by the very, very young country, the United States? Wow! Hold it in your hand (in its' PCGS holder, of course) and perhaps, just perhaps, it takes you back to the early, historic days of America itself? Perhaps you can feel a connection to people like Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and others that were alive and moved in real time through that small, round slug of silver? Maybe people even like history? Have you ever seen shows like "American Pickers," Pawnstars," or Antiques Roadshow?" OF COURSE THEY DO!

Do you really think that collectors that buy 2.5 million dollar '71 Hemi 'Cuda convertibles (11 made, making it the king of all 426 Hemi muscle cars) actually do so for their "intrinsic value," i.e., to drive? Somehow I doubt it. An occasional cruise around the block or so to keep everything lubricated (gaskets and seals dry out otherwise), but that's about it. No, it's a collectible, one that takes them back to the HISTORIC days of the first great muscle car era (though towards the end of that era) and likely one that will continue to appreciate IMHO for quite awhile. More and more classic cars are moving into the 7 and even 8 figure bracket, just within the last year or two. Why? Because they are pieces of HISTORY that take these collectors back to the interests and days that they treasure and cherish!

In case you haven't noticed, many areas of collectibles are growing, and growing now even more rapidly due to the internet (even the rarest items will ultimately, inevitably show up on ebay). Oh, but the sky is falling, the sky is falling--but just not now; wait until 2070! This field of collecting is based on a fundamental element of human nature, and for that reason, I highly doubt it.

As to the failure to replace dying collectors, I believe the most recent surveys regarding the average age of our own board members have shown that age to be DECREASING, not increasing. And if you've been to a National lately, you likely will have seen the hoards of younger people--sure, they'll start out with Harper and Trout, or maybe Kershaw or Scherzer, but inevitably, many, many will move on to Gehrig, Ruth, Mantle, Williams, Cobb, Wagner, Johnson, Grove, Foxx, etc., etc. People simply LIKE baseball, and a certain percentage are interested in its HISTORY. Of those that are, cards are the perfect tangible gateway to it--almost like time travel, they connect you to the player, and take you back to the time. Through vintage cards, you truly can hold the HISTORY of the game right in your hands!

The quote above sounds like sour grapes to me, just as another post did--oh, woe is me! The market is moving on, and leaving me behind. Well, wealthy people like various fields of HISTORY too! They can buy the best, and they will. Just my $10.50 worth.

Larry

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

Do we really need to have this mindless, endless debate every time someone calls the '52 Topps Mantle a RC?

I'm quite sure EVERYONE on this forum knows and understands this, and has their opinion. However, someone always has to chime in on this, like they're the only one who truly understands this great hobby conundrum, and feels compelled to enlighten everyone with their vast expertise.

Well said.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And not to be forgotten.

[pawpawdiv9]

Where does this Snooki one fit in?


As to the Op topic-- I don't look at 8's 9's or 10's in those cards. I keep it at a minimum in the low grades 1-3 to keep track records.
It just amazed how many times it flipped. Wouldn't a card like that be in a PC- personel collection. I know mine is and its low grade.
People with $$$, just making more $$$.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And not to be forgotten.

Tookie went to my high school. Nice to see him making an appearance on the forum