T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[tedzan]

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On display here are vintage postcards (circa 1910) depicting three of the nine ATC Factory's which manufactured tobacco products during the 1909 - 1911 timeframe.
Also listed are the other five Factory's which produced ATC tobacco brands during this era.



Factory #25, Richmond, VA

ATC tobacco brands...... PIEDMONT, AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CAROLINA BRIGHTS, CYCLE, DRUM, OLD MILL, SOVEREIGN, SWEET CAPORAL

.................................................. .................................................. .........................v....... Factory #25 .......v
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Factory #42, Durham, NC

ATC tobacco brands...... AMERICAN BEAUTY, PIEDMONT, SWEET CAPORAL



AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, Factory #42
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Factory #33, Reidsville, NC

ATC tobacco brand...... Ty Cobb Smoking Tobacco










Factory #30, Brooklyn, NY

ATC tobacco brands...... LENOX, SWEET CAPORAL, TOLSTOI, UZIT

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And, here are the other five Factory's manufacturing ATC tobacco brands during the 1909 - 1911 era......

Factory #6, Middletown, Ohio........ POLAR BEAR

Factory #17, Virginia..................... El PRINCIPE de GALES

Factory #649, New York State....... HINDU, SWEET CAPORAL



I'm including these two Factory's which included 1910 COUPON cards and RED CROSS cards with their Cigarettes. Since these cards were printed by
American Lithographic during 1910-1911 timeframe, and are identical with the T206 cards**. No need for "controversy", guys.

Factory #3, New Orleans, LA.......... COUPON **

Factory #10, Jersey City, NJ........... RED CROSS


Let's see some more pictures of these ATC Factory's....if you have postcards, photos, publications, etc., please post them....thanks.


** Note......the 1910 COUPON cards were printed on "soft" cardboard because they did NOT serve as cigarette pack stiffeners. The initial marketing of
this brand was not in packs, but in cartons labelled "COUPON" Cigarettes which contained 100's of loose cigarettes.


TED Z
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[Sean]

Hey Ted, some of the Coupon Type-3 cards were distributed from Factory 8. Do you know where that one was located? (I know that type-3s are not T206-similar, but I'm still curious.)

[tedzan]

Sean

Where Factory #8 was located is a good question.

This I can tell you, that the Factory #8 overprint was applied at the tail-end of the T213-3 press runs (circa 1919). Which would explain why these cards are very rare.

I'm not quite sure where Factory #8 was located in Louisiana (other than New Orleans), so I'll not comment on it. Or for whatever reasons, perhaps ATC may have re-
assigned their New Orleans (Factory # 3) to Factory #8 at the end of WWI.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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Enjoy the challenge of collecting T206's by their backs ? Let's start with the toughest of the tough regular issue T206's....the BROAD LEAF 460 cards. These cards were printed
ONLY on subjects in the 350/460 series. And, just 35 subjects (of the 63 subjects) in 350/460 series were printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 backs. Furthermore, these same 35
subjects were printed with the rare red HINDU backs.

Near the end of the T206 press runs (circa late 1910-early 1911), American Lithographic separated the 63 subjects in the 350/460 series into 2 print groups (refer to Post #8).
Shown here are the 35 subjects printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back......


Group A
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Listed here are the 29 subjects which have been confirmed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back......

Baker
M. Brown (Chicago)
Cobb (red portrait)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)

Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Willis (throwing)
Cy Young (glove)


Listed here are 6 subjects from this group that have yet to be discovered with BL 460 backs.
I expect these T206's will eventually be found with BL 460 backs......

Ames (hands above head)
Bender (no trees)
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Larry Doyle (bat)



NOTE....that the 460-only series subjects were NOT printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back.


If you have them, show them....never tire of seeing BROAD LEAF 460 cards.


TED Z
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[Sean]

Ted, here's my one and only. Note: this is an old scan. The card now resides in a PSA holder.


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[tedzan]

Hi Sean

" It Don't Come Easy....you know, it don't come easy " (Ringo Starr, 1971)

We get these BROAD LEAF's in what ever shape their in....cannot afford to be "picky"....this one was mine (traded it recently).









Let's see some more BL 460's....condition is immaterial.



TED Z
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[rats60]

Highest graded Pop 2

[tedzan]

Great looking Carolina Brights McAleese.

Thanks for posting it, guy.


TED Z
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[Ronnie73]

I'd like to post some pictures but I feel like i'm always the under bidder. So, I don't have any to show. I would really like my first CB to be a Hal Chase Blue Portrait.

[runandgun]

This site is amazing as far as the work done to identify so many rare issues. I did discover a brand new BL 460 according to the list I just viewed. It is a Magee. I’ll post an image of it a bit later. Thanks for all you do.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by runandgun

This site is amazing as far as the work done to identify so many rare issues. I did discover a brand new BL 460 according to the list I just viewed. It is a Magee. I’ll post an image of it a bit later. Thanks for all you do.

Hi runandgun

I appreciate your compliments.

I checked out your post today, and I must say that the Magee BROAD LEAF 460 card is absolutely amazing.

I added it to my BROAD LEAF 460 confirmed list in Post #101 in this thread.

Thanks, again.


TED Z
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[rjackson44]

I love reading anything ted posts makes my day.

[tedzan]

rjackson44

I appreciate your compliments.

Stayed tuned, more T206 info will be forthcoming.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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Continuing on the BROAD LEAF 460 theme, this Feb 2006 thread.... T206 Broad Leaf 460 cards is one of the very first (if not the first) to be posted on this subject on Net54.

Check-it-out, it's quite an interesting thread......especially, Art Martineau's post (#35) in which he identifies 26 of the 27 subjects we now know of with BROAD LEAF 460 backs.



. OK, I'll try again....if you got them, show off your BROAD LEAF 460 cards. They certainly are a fine credit to anyone's T206 collection.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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. < < 1st Issue ............ Issued 1980 > >



Here is the 1st issue (1962) of The Sport Hobbyist. Charles Brooks and Frank Nagy were it's co-founders. Most of us old-timers have fond memories of Frank Nagy.
Frank ran a mail auction for many decades. I saved his interesting notes (from early 1980's) which he would include with the cards won from his auction. Example:
he would often reduce the amount of your winning bid because the closest bid to it was considerably less than yours. Now, how can you beat that ?
Frank's auction stuff was very eclectic, 19th Century - 1970's cards (all sports and non-sports). I recall winning T206 (Ex) commons for $1 - $2 each. And Cobb's,
Lajoie's, Matty's, and CYoung's, etc. for less than $10 each.

In 1980, Bill Heitman's book "The Monster" was available. This 28-page book was an awesome reference for us guys new to the world of T206's. It provided us a
better understanding of the complexities of this set; and, also enlightened us and motivated us to go after the elusive rare T206 backs.

Having said all this....can you imagine how some of us on this forum were pleasantly surprised in early 2005 when Bill Heitman responded to this Net54 thread....
Possible Heitman Errors

Here are some more threads that Bill subsequently chimed in on......

T207 Davis blue C

T206 Rare Backs

REFLECTIONS of YOUTH

Collecting Exclusive Series of the T206 Set

rarest tobacco card ?

And, here's a thread dated March 2007, where Bill chimed in regarding the Wagner strip...... A T206 printing question for Bill Heitman, or anyone ?


I have some more responses from Bill around the 2005 - 2007 time period. I will add them later.


TED Z
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