Sgc

[nsaddict]

The answer to the question is the REGISTRY period!

[aloondilana]

I do agree it's the registry 100%
But outside registry, when the actual grading is concerned, why not just buy SGC cards and just have them crossed to make an easy 30%?

[pcoz]

I dont see any difference in price on high end prewar or most prewar between SGC vs PSA, only on postwar due to the registry. I prefer SGC personally, but both are top notch. The floating card inside of a PSA holder is my biggest hobby pet peeve.

[BeanTown]

Agreed it's the REGISTRY which makes PSA holders treated like a commodity. Thus the term buy the card, and not the holder is coined. Recently I met a die hard PSA member. He was explaining to me about their different membership levels and what you get for each level. Most Every time he gets a card in a non PSA holder or he gets a grade he feels isn't fair, he cracks it out and he resubmits it.

I asked him how many times he has done this. He said it's in the thousands and I asked him how many he did this month and he said around 200. He went on to explain how PSA used to be real easy to crack, but they have improved their holders now which makes him use his band saw in the basement. SGC are simple to crack as two quick pops on each top corner normally does the trick.

The population numbers within a couple of years will almost be impossible to trust, if not even now.

As a collector, I still have tons of cards I bought back in the 90s and early 2000s which are raw. This was before TPGs even had a holder big enough to grade larger cards like Postcards and Cabinets. If/when I decide to sell, I will most likely use whatever TPG has the best reputation and give me a chance to fetch the best final price.

Right now PSA is king of the TPGs. We are paying for their "opinion" on the grade of cardboard they say it is. It doesn't matter if SGC has better holders, better graders, a better owner, etc.... I would love to see SGC become the new industry Giant for grading. To do this they would have to have PSA self destruct which I don't see happening and SGC would really have to come up with an innovative registry system which would become the new norm.

(Hi John glad to see you posting)

[Pjere]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Agreed it's the REGISTRY which makes PSA holders treated like a commodity. Thus the term buy the card, and not the holder is coined. Recently I met a die hard PSA member. He was explaining to me about their different membership levels and what you get for each level. Most Every time he gets a card in a non PSA holder or he gets a grade he feels isn't fair, he cracks it out and he resubmits it.

I asked him how many times he has done this. He said it's in the thousands and I asked him how many he did this month and he said around 200. He went on to explain how PSA used to be real easy to crack, but they have improved their holders now which makes him use his band saw in the basement. SGC are simple to crack as two quick pops on each top corner normally does the trick.

The population numbers within a couple of years will almost be impossible to trust, if not even now.

As a collector, I still have tons of cards I bought back in the 90s and early 2000s which are raw. This was before TPGs even had a holder big enough to grade larger cards like Postcards and Cabinets. If/when I decide to sell, I will most likely use whatever TPG has the best reputation and give me a chance to fetch the best final price.

Right now PSA is king of the TPGs. We are paying for their "opinion" on the grade of cardboard they say it is. It doesn't matter if SGC has better holders, better graders, a better owner, etc.... I would love to see SGC become the new industry Giant for grading. To do this they would have to have PSA self destruct which I don't see happening and SGC would really have to come up with an innovative registry system which would become the new norm.

(Hi John glad to see you posting)

Found this old thread somehow…unfortunately PSA self destructed and cards in their cases still bring the extra 30%. I really don’t understand what it will take for sgc to surpass them (or Beckett) but I sure wish they would! Let’s all exclusively buy SGC cards on ebay and shift this thing!


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[rjackson44]

As long as there no csg holders horrible cant give them away garbage

[todeen]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

As long as there no csg holders horrible cant give them away garbage

I'm kind of shocked on Twitter some of the grading companies that get mentioned that I've never heard of. I'm glad someone is throwing them a bone to create a base user population, but I don't think I'd send them my cards. I saw a new one yesterday, and another one last week. When I see companies not-big-3 on ebay, and sellers asking prices, I think "is this a joke?" As another person stated within this thread, a lot of uneducated newbies in this hobby.

However, at least one of the companies is trying to use AI for grading and not people.

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by Pjere

Found this old thread somehow…unfortunately PSA self destructed and cards in their cases still bring the extra 30%. I really don’t understand what it will take for sgc to surpass them (or Beckett) but I sure wish they would! Let’s all exclusively buy SGC cards on ebay and shift this thing!


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I don't trust SGC any longer after several really bad idiotic decisions and each one they were proven wrong. I used to respect them but now I think they have their heads up their ass on many issues. And their owner has a great legacy. Last national I went to I asked where he was. They said he was grading cards. Fox watching the henhouse....I hope another grading company evolves as the ones we have aren't worth crap.

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[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

I don't trust SGC any longer after several really bad idiotic decisions and each one they were proven wrong. I used to respect them but now I think they have their heads up their ass on many issues. And their owner has a great legacy. Last national I went to I asked where he was. They said he was grading cards. Fox watching the henhouse....I hope another grading company evolves as the ones we have aren't worth crap.

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I don't think anyone besides beckett will grade fro joys these days. While I agree it's lame noone grades these...I certainly dont see this as a strike against SGC any more than it is against PSA.

And yes...the options we currently have are shit! Don't hold your breath for that to change.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Leon

I don't trust SGC any longer after several really bad idiotic decisions and each one they were proven wrong. I used to respect them but now I think they have their heads up their ass on many issues. And their owner has a great legacy. Last national I went to I asked where he was. They said he was grading cards. Fox watching the henhouse....I hope another grading company evolves as the ones we have aren't worth crap.

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Hey Leon, here's a 1928 newspaper Ad I came across. From what I understand
the Ruth Fro-Joy's were distributed from August 6-11 in 1928 this ad ran just after
that on august 30 1928.

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[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by pcoz

I dont see any difference in price on high end prewar or most prewar between SGC vs PSA, only on postwar due to the registry. I prefer SGC personally, but both are top notch. The floating card inside of a PSA holder is my biggest hobby pet peeve.

Pretty dramatic post war example.



https://sports.ha.com/itm/1948-leaf-...lotPosition=18

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...-mhcc-auction/

[BruceinGa]

Four or five years ago I read posts here that basically said value wise they were about the same, only that SGC presented better.
Now from what I'm reading here and seeing on eBay is that PSA 206's are more costly.
I'm happy with the SGC's that I have. Oh, except for the 1958 Hires SGC 96 that I have. He holder is too big and scratched up. It would be nice to cross that one over.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by aloondilana

I do agree it's the registry 100%
But outside registry, when the actual grading is concerned, why not just buy SGC cards and just have them crossed to make an easy 30%?

The cards just dont cross over that easily plus grading fees. If I buy a SGC 7 card, i want to pay a PSA 6- 6.5 price so i am prepared to get a PSA 6 if i cross it over but that doesnt save me 30% when i go a resell that PSA 6 card that once was a SGC7. Yes you never know what the grade will be on the crossover but its a gamble that would eat up that 30% in the long run if you are just worried about making an easy 30%

With that being said, i do think that more people prefer and pay more for SGC card ratio wise in the net54 community than the general population ratio on ebay...

[BeanTown]

One common thought I hear from people who flip cards from SGC to PSA is to break it out ahead of time. If PSA knows they are regrading an SGC card it gets hammered about 95 percent of the time.

[ngnichols]

People who are buying PSA cards are either set builders or are just flat out sheep who don't realize their overpaying for lesser standards of grading.

The reason they draw a premium is for several reasons, none of which matter to me as long as the grade is accurate, standards are high, and consistency is there:

1. Publicly traded company on NASDAQ so more transparency in what the companies operations are. (Beckett and SGC are not)

2. American owned. (Beckett is not. SGC is as far as I know).

3. Coin Grading. (Shouldn't have anything to do with cards and their values, but apparently to some people it does.)

4. Set Registry. (Again, shouldn't matter unless you're a baseball card nerd, but apparently it does.)

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by ngnichols

2. American owned. (Beckett is not. SGC is as far as I know).

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...sa-slab-5.html
Post #118 says that BGS is owned by an American citizen who lives in North Carolina. I know you read that thread because you got banned because of it. Why continue to spread rumors on a different message board?

[ngnichols]

Originally Posted by swarmee

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...sa-slab-5.html
Post #118 says that BGS is owned by an American citizen who lives in North Carolina. I know you read that thread because you got banned because of it. Why continue to spread rumors on a different message board?

This guy is making the calls as CEO and he's not in America:

https://in.linkedin.com/in/sandeepdua

He's part of Eli Global which owns Beckett Media. While the owner of Eli Global may own a residence in North Carolina and it may be based there to a degree, that doesn't make it an American company to the people voting with their dollars. Right or wrong, that guy being the CEO, running it the way they have, and it being private are big problems for people trust-wise.

He's also put their customer service 1/2 way across the world and has really tied the hands of those who work there. You cannot directly call someone at Beckett HQ and check on your order unless you know someone there and have their work extension, cell-phone #, or internal E-Mail address. You've got to speak to some jack-wagon over in India or the Philippines who you can't even understand or even really truly knows what's going on. That is also a HUGE problem for people, especially given the recent issues they've had. People are already super-pissed and don't want to have to run through those hoops.

Beckett Media is just a pawn for Eli Global to fund other businesses they have in their portfolio so they honestly don't really care about the hobby as a whole and that's the sad part. They could really turn things around with a few changes and better customer service.

In regards to Blowout, you can read the thread yourself and see what happened. You've got a mob-mentality there that's not interested in the truth. I saw a ton of people on there pissed about their orders and tried to help them get some answers directly instead of speaking to some guy named "Gupta" in India or wherever the hell else they may be. Not sweating it because it's obvious what kind of people are on there and how they handle facts vs. lies.