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[Pjere]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Agreed it's the REGISTRY which makes PSA holders treated like a commodity. Thus the term buy the card, and not the holder is coined. Recently I met a die hard PSA member. He was explaining to me about their different membership levels and what you get for each level. Most Every time he gets a card in a non PSA holder or he gets a grade he feels isn't fair, he cracks it out and he resubmits it.

I asked him how many times he has done this. He said it's in the thousands and I asked him how many he did this month and he said around 200. He went on to explain how PSA used to be real easy to crack, but they have improved their holders now which makes him use his band saw in the basement. SGC are simple to crack as two quick pops on each top corner normally does the trick.

The population numbers within a couple of years will almost be impossible to trust, if not even now.

As a collector, I still have tons of cards I bought back in the 90s and early 2000s which are raw. This was before TPGs even had a holder big enough to grade larger cards like Postcards and Cabinets. If/when I decide to sell, I will most likely use whatever TPG has the best reputation and give me a chance to fetch the best final price.

Right now PSA is king of the TPGs. We are paying for their "opinion" on the grade of cardboard they say it is. It doesn't matter if SGC has better holders, better graders, a better owner, etc.... I would love to see SGC become the new industry Giant for grading. To do this they would have to have PSA self destruct which I don't see happening and SGC would really have to come up with an innovative registry system which would become the new norm.

(Hi John glad to see you posting)

Found this old thread somehow…unfortunately PSA self destructed and cards in their cases still bring the extra 30%. I really don’t understand what it will take for sgc to surpass them (or Beckett) but I sure wish they would! Let’s all exclusively buy SGC cards on ebay and shift this thing!


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[rjackson44]

As long as there no csg holders horrible cant give them away garbage

[todeen]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

As long as there no csg holders horrible cant give them away garbage

I'm kind of shocked on Twitter some of the grading companies that get mentioned that I've never heard of. I'm glad someone is throwing them a bone to create a base user population, but I don't think I'd send them my cards. I saw a new one yesterday, and another one last week. When I see companies not-big-3 on ebay, and sellers asking prices, I think "is this a joke?" As another person stated within this thread, a lot of uneducated newbies in this hobby.

However, at least one of the companies is trying to use AI for grading and not people.

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by Pjere

Found this old thread somehow…unfortunately PSA self destructed and cards in their cases still bring the extra 30%. I really don’t understand what it will take for sgc to surpass them (or Beckett) but I sure wish they would! Let’s all exclusively buy SGC cards on ebay and shift this thing!


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I don't trust SGC any longer after several really bad idiotic decisions and each one they were proven wrong. I used to respect them but now I think they have their heads up their ass on many issues. And their owner has a great legacy. Last national I went to I asked where he was. They said he was grading cards. Fox watching the henhouse....I hope another grading company evolves as the ones we have aren't worth crap.

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[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

I don't trust SGC any longer after several really bad idiotic decisions and each one they were proven wrong. I used to respect them but now I think they have their heads up their ass on many issues. And their owner has a great legacy. Last national I went to I asked where he was. They said he was grading cards. Fox watching the henhouse....I hope another grading company evolves as the ones we have aren't worth crap.

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I don't think anyone besides beckett will grade fro joys these days. While I agree it's lame noone grades these...I certainly dont see this as a strike against SGC any more than it is against PSA.

And yes...the options we currently have are shit! Don't hold your breath for that to change.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I don't think anyone besides beckett will grade fro joys these days. While I agree it's lame noone grades these...I certainly dont see this as a strike against SGC any more than it is against PSA.

And yes...the options we currently have are shit! Don't hold your breath for that to change.

They wouldn't grade my Yum Yum and it was perfectly good. They missed a really bad E94 overprint..They wouldn't grade my Babe Ruth Headin Home cards and the list goes on. I used to think they were good.

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[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Leon

They wouldn't grade my Yum Yum and it was perfectly good. They missed a really bad E94 overprint..They wouldn't grade my Babe Ruth Headin Home cards and the list goes on. I used to think they were good.

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Wow.

That sucks and our options shrink as we think they would expand with competition

[Oscar_Stanage]

1) The people driving the markets are not collectors. PSA cards are a deeper and more active market, so it is self-affirming feedback loop.

2) the registry. this really matters.

3) the general population of card buyers is not well-educated. Not a lot of research/effort is done. How many people understand that the grading scales have changed? not many. People pay the price of today's "4s" for any slab with a "4" on it not realizing the card would grade a 3 and maybe a 2 today. I see it everyday.

but yes. from a pure grading / quality standpoint there is no difference between PSA and SGC. I don't think any other grader is their league.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

1) The people driving the markets are not collectors. PSA cards are a deeper and more active market, so it is self-affirming feedback loop.

2) the registry. this really matters.

3) the general population of card buyers is not well-educated. Not a lot of research/effort is done. How many people understand that the grading scales have changed? not many. People pay the price of today's "4s" for any slab with a "4" on it not realizing the card would grade a 3 and maybe a 2 today. I see it everyday.

but yes. from a pure grading / quality standpoint there is no difference between PSA and SGC. I don't think any other grader is their league.

I 100% agree with all of the above and as previously stated and often goes overlooked - PSA (love them or hate them) does an INCREDIBLE branding/marketing job! They tell everyone in every ad they publish (and they publish WAY more than SGC) that they are the market leader - See it enough times and......there was a time when if people needed a tissue they asked for a "Kleenex"! Kleenex was the brand that became synonymous with the product as a result of incredible branding/marketing. PSA has taken a page out of their playbook.

SGC has a real opportunity with the current PSA backlog situation as a LOT more cards are getting sold in major auctions in SGC holders. More people will have an opportunity to see the on par quality of grading (for better AND worse) between both companies.

Great opportunity for other players as well, but from what I've seen so far, none that are stepping up with the quality they need to.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

They wouldn't grade my Yum Yum and it was perfectly good. They missed a really bad E94 overprint..They wouldn't grade my Babe Ruth Headin Home cards and the list goes on. I used to think they were good.

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Eewwww!! I wouldnt grade your yum yum either!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Eewwww!! I wouldnt grade your yum yum either!

LOL....then you are as smart as them. Two of the three grading companies graded it correctly. SGC first said it was counterfeit, then they gave it a NO....Such is life. It was real as the day is long. And whomever paid over 7k for it probably thought so too.

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[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Leon

LOL....then you are as smart as them. Two of the three grading companies graded it correctly. SGC first said it was counterfeit, then they gave it a NO....Such is life. It was real as the day is long. And whomever paid over 7k for it probably thought so too.

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Leon, I just picked up in the last LOTG auction a beautiful SGC5 Yum Yum and if this was the one you are referring to, then I think it is real, too.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Leon

I don't trust SGC any longer after several really bad idiotic decisions and each one they were proven wrong. I used to respect them but now I think they have their heads up their ass on many issues. And their owner has a great legacy. Last national I went to I asked where he was. They said he was grading cards. Fox watching the henhouse....I hope another grading company evolves as the ones we have aren't worth crap.

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Hey Leon, here's a 1928 newspaper Ad I came across. From what I understand
the Ruth Fro-Joy's were distributed from August 6-11 in 1928 this ad ran just after
that on august 30 1928.

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[Tyruscobb]

I’m a baseball card collector; not an investor or flipper. My intended holding period is my life, so I never sell a card unless I upgrade it. I prefer SGC over PSA - grading, value (when purchasing a card), the flip, and overall presentation.

As a collector, I love that SGC cards are cheaper. It allows me to obtain more cards and/or higher graded cards with my collecting budget. For selfish reasons, I hope SGC never reaches par with PSA. I’ll gladly pay a discounted price for an SGC 5 v. a PSA 5 - all things considered, e.g. same centering, eye appeal, etc.