Value of W514 Strip Cards

[Leon]

Stupid comments are also appreciated. Carry on...

btw, the latest email *just now, explaining what happened on the Secret Santa site.....below I asked if there is money owed somewhere?


Not that I know of.

The ONLY person/deal i have EVER had an issue with was Robinson on LTS.

The deal with that was this....
I put a post requesting, wanting to buy a "lot" of 1969 Topps Baseball.

Mr. Robinson wrote that he put some in the mail to me. When I asked how much he wanted for them, he stated to just look at them and send him what I thought was fair amount for them.
They came in the mail, My son sorted them, picking out the ones that we already had and could send back to him along with the money.
After going through them, i asked him what he was hoping to get for them. I was thinking maybe $150 for the lot of around 150, or $1 @. His quote was over $400.
No way could I do that. So i told him they were sorted, but I would go through and pick them out, as his were all "white back" with sharp corners.
So I did that, found all the white backs and sharp corners, and I sent them all back.
When he got them, he stated not all of them were there. I asked him which ones and he didnt know, just that some were missing. He then asked me to send my ENTIRE COLLECTION OF 1969 Topps BASEBALL to him, so he could go thru them and pick which ones were his!!!! Seriously, I was going to send someone my 3/4ths complete set of 1969?
So one of the mods called me personally on the phone. I told him that the simple solution of this was to simply have Mr. Robinson shoot me a price for what he thought were missing. I thought that was fair. I was paying for the cards he thought were missing, and offered $100 for them, even thou I was not convinced there were ANY cards missing.
I told the mod to let me know what Mr. Robinson said. Next morning I banned from LTS and now this.

On Monday, April 17, 2017 7:22 AM, leon luckey wrote:

Do you owe someone money as Steven is saying on the board?
LL

Originally Posted by the-illini

Page hits >>>> honesty. Good to know.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by Leon

Stupid comments are also appreciated. Carry on...

Sorry. I just assumed your ad revenue was driven in part by page hits.

[Leon]

You assumed wrong.

If revenue was the reason for this site Viglink would still be on it, as it brought in a few bucks, and there would be a lot of other monetization going on. That being said, as you might remember, when I started moderating this site there was no monetization for almost 2 years...Every server penny or whatever cost was out of my pocket.
...I did/do it because I enjoy it. When I don't I will do something else. I made a lot more money at a previous job, for almost 2 decades running, than this. Pageviews make no money, btw....

As for the story at hand, let's take it to the end and see where it lands? Sounds fair, no?

Originally Posted by the-illini

Sorry. I just assumed your ad revenue was driven in part by page hits.

[drmondobueno]

Spell it out. Always seems to be a lot of talk about transparency which is really needed in this business err hobby.

If you are going to out someone, out them. Blow their ass out of the water.

[Leon]

I agree!!! Let's hear it...or maybe it's this...

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

Spell it out. Always seems to be a lot of talk about transparency which is really needed in this business err hobby.

If you are going to out someone, out them. Blow their ass out of the water.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree!!! Let's hear it...or maybe it's this...

Did you not get an PM from Kirk about this guy? Nothing secret about that? There was no gang mentality when he PMed you. The only gang mentality came when you decided, for whatever reason to let him back on. The reason he pays for everything in advance here is because no one knows him and should never trust him. He was invited to the "little secret board as you put it" because he was trusted. So people sent him cards in advance of payment and he betrayed that trust. He was giving many opportunities to make good on the deals and stopped all communication. As for his little made up story about Kirk. The only part that's true is he kept Kirks mint cards and send back a bunch of garbage and refused all efforts to make it good. So you need more details?

[Leon]

Got the details.
I just got off of the phone with Kirk. He says he doesn't want to do anything else about making the situation right with Wesley. So if someone doesn't want to help themselves, as he said he wasted too much time already, I am supposed to kick this guy off the board? I do believe Kirk got back some wrong cards and that was, allegedly, being addressed when Wes was banned? I offered help in working this out but was refused by Kirk.

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Did you not get an PM from Kirk about this guy? Nothing secret about that? There was no gang mentality when he PMed you. The only gang mentality came when you decided, for whatever reason to let him back on. The reason he pays for everything in advance here is because no one knows him and should never trust him. He was invited to the "little secret board as you put it" because he was trusted. So people sent him cards in advance of payment and he betrayed that trust. He was giving many opportunities to make good on the deals and stopped all communication. As for his little made up story about Kirk. The only part that's true is he kept Kirks mint cards and send back a bunch of garbage and refused all efforts to make it good. So you need more details?

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Leon

Got the details.
I just got off of the phone with Kirk. He says he doesn't want to do anything else about making the situation right with Wesley. So if someone doesn't want to help themselves, as he said he wasted too much time already, I am supposed to kick this guy off the board? I do believe Kirk got back some wrong cards and that was, allegedly, being addressed when Wes was banned? I offered help in working this out but was refused by Kirk.

Your board, your rules. But remember my friend, I always came to your defense when others turned on you. Finding it tough to defend you on this one, but hey, he contributes.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Your board, your rules. But remember my friend, I always came to your defense when others turned on you. Finding it tough to defend you on this one, but hey, he contributes.

Yes you did lend support and it was appreciated. As for contributors, yes, they are more important to the board than non-contributors.

Even though I always say I won't get into issues which take place on other venues, the ones in this thread are being dealt with. On the first one, the victim doesn't want to try to work it out anymore. I think there are 3 sides to that story. I think Kirk got back GL's cards by accident. But if Kirk doesn't want to try to get it resolved, when the other person does(at least now), and I am slow to ban for that. Maybe I am wrong but that is the way I see it.

On the other situation, with GL, that is being addressed now. And if it isn't dealt with from the email sent, then a punitive action will probably take place. Just trying to be fair ...that said, I might be failing at it.

[2dueces]

Wesley had posted that he and his son wanted to put a low grade 69 baseball set together so I sent him a pm and put a lot of 400 cards in average ex to ex+. I offered them to him for $125 bucks I think that was a good deal for him. I sent them to him about a month ago and he agreed to the amount and that he would need to send it in a couple of installments, which I agreed to. I haven't seen any money.

I'm still hopeful that maybe I'll see some money, but now doubting it now that I know more and I don't know how to contact him to remind him. Wish I had known more sooner as I'm out $125 and that was a good deal for what I sent. Just trying to be nice and I like seeing kids getting into card collecting. Its not a ton of money, but money is tight right now for me and was hoping to use that money to get something I'd like at the upcoming Boston/Wilmington show.

This from September 2016. So Kirk isn't the only one that Wesley screwed. So he lied again. More proof Leon?

[Leon]

Ok, it will be addressed. It's kind of hard to address general statements but specifics can be dealt with. BTW, is that GL? He might be my next call...

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Wesley had posted that he and his son wanted to put a low grade 69 baseball set together so I sent him a pm and put a lot of 400 cards in average ex to ex+. I offered them to him for $125 bucks I think that was a good deal for him. I sent them to him about a month ago and he agreed to the amount and that he would need to send it in a couple of installments, which I agreed to. I haven't seen any money.

I'm still hopeful that maybe I'll see some money, but now doubting it now that I know more and I don't know how to contact him to remind him. Wish I had known more sooner as I'm out $125 and that was a good deal for what I sent. Just trying to be nice and I like seeing kids getting into card collecting. Its not a ton of money, but money is tight right now for me and was hoping to use that money to get something I'd like at the upcoming Boston/Wilmington show.

This from September 2016. So Kirk isn't the only one that Wesley screwed. So he lied again. More proof Leon?

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Leon

Ok, it will be addressed. It's kind of hard to address general statements but specifics can be dealt with. BTW, is that GL? He might be my next call...

Yes it is.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Wesley had posted that he and his son wanted to put a low grade 69 baseball set together so I sent him a pm and put a lot of 400 cards in average ex to ex+. I offered them to him for $125 bucks I think that was a good deal for him. I sent them to him about a month ago and he agreed to the amount and that he would need to send it in a couple of installments, which I agreed to. I haven't seen any money.

I'm still hopeful that maybe I'll see some money, but now doubting it now that I know more and I don't know how to contact him to remind him. Wish I had known more sooner as I'm out $125 and that was a good deal for what I sent. Just trying to be nice and I like seeing kids getting into card collecting. Its not a ton of money, but money is tight right now for me and was hoping to use that money to get something I'd like at the upcoming Boston/Wilmington show.

This from September 2016. So Kirk isn't the only one that Wesley screwed. So he lied again. More proof Leon?

Kudos for putting it out there. Appreciate you standing up.

[Exhibitman]

I dunno, call me old-fashioned, but I believe that a hobby gentleman honors his debts and makes good on his deals. A gentleman collector also keeps track of anything sent to him on approval and returns it just as he received it. None of that happened here.

I completely understand that everyone makes mistakes. Life is busy and we forget stuff. But Wes didn't make a mistake or forget something. Over the course of time he was given multiple chances to make good on two deals with two members here, people whose hobby credentials are above reproach, and he blew them off instead. He is only addressing Kirk's deal now, months later, with excuses that show he was negligent with a trading partner and ostensible friend's cards, because he is threatened with being kicked off this board. He hasn't even addressed Joe's deal.

The members' response to this situation isn't a gang-up mentality or an unfair commentary, it is a reaction to someone who has behaved in an inappropriate manner towards two fellow collectors in the recent past. Regardless of whether Wes resolves the situation with Joe by tendering payment six months late and only after being called out here, I don't think he should be welcome on this board. We should be able to rely on the gentlemen we choose to trade with to conduct themselves properly, and if they don't the penalty should be disassociation. Permanently.