Value of W514 Strip Cards

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree!!! Let's hear it...or maybe it's this...

Did you not get an PM from Kirk about this guy? Nothing secret about that? There was no gang mentality when he PMed you. The only gang mentality came when you decided, for whatever reason to let him back on. The reason he pays for everything in advance here is because no one knows him and should never trust him. He was invited to the "little secret board as you put it" because he was trusted. So people sent him cards in advance of payment and he betrayed that trust. He was giving many opportunities to make good on the deals and stopped all communication. As for his little made up story about Kirk. The only part that's true is he kept Kirks mint cards and send back a bunch of garbage and refused all efforts to make it good. So you need more details?

[Leon]

Got the details.
I just got off of the phone with Kirk. He says he doesn't want to do anything else about making the situation right with Wesley. So if someone doesn't want to help themselves, as he said he wasted too much time already, I am supposed to kick this guy off the board? I do believe Kirk got back some wrong cards and that was, allegedly, being addressed when Wes was banned? I offered help in working this out but was refused by Kirk.

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Did you not get an PM from Kirk about this guy? Nothing secret about that? There was no gang mentality when he PMed you. The only gang mentality came when you decided, for whatever reason to let him back on. The reason he pays for everything in advance here is because no one knows him and should never trust him. He was invited to the "little secret board as you put it" because he was trusted. So people sent him cards in advance of payment and he betrayed that trust. He was giving many opportunities to make good on the deals and stopped all communication. As for his little made up story about Kirk. The only part that's true is he kept Kirks mint cards and send back a bunch of garbage and refused all efforts to make it good. So you need more details?

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Leon

Got the details.
I just got off of the phone with Kirk. He says he doesn't want to do anything else about making the situation right with Wesley. So if someone doesn't want to help themselves, as he said he wasted too much time already, I am supposed to kick this guy off the board? I do believe Kirk got back some wrong cards and that was, allegedly, being addressed when Wes was banned? I offered help in working this out but was refused by Kirk.

Your board, your rules. But remember my friend, I always came to your defense when others turned on you. Finding it tough to defend you on this one, but hey, he contributes.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Your board, your rules. But remember my friend, I always came to your defense when others turned on you. Finding it tough to defend you on this one, but hey, he contributes.

Yes you did lend support and it was appreciated. As for contributors, yes, they are more important to the board than non-contributors.

Even though I always say I won't get into issues which take place on other venues, the ones in this thread are being dealt with. On the first one, the victim doesn't want to try to work it out anymore. I think there are 3 sides to that story. I think Kirk got back GL's cards by accident. But if Kirk doesn't want to try to get it resolved, when the other person does(at least now), and I am slow to ban for that. Maybe I am wrong but that is the way I see it.

On the other situation, with GL, that is being addressed now. And if it isn't dealt with from the email sent, then a punitive action will probably take place. Just trying to be fair ...that said, I might be failing at it.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes you did lend support and it was appreciated. As for contributors, yes, they are more important to the board than non-contributors.

Even though I always say I won't get into issues which take place on other venues, the ones in this thread are being dealt with. On the first one, the victim doesn't want to try to work it out anymore. I think there are 3 sides to that story. I think Kirk got back GL's cards by accident. But if Kirk doesn't want to try to get it resolved, when the other person does(at least now), then I am slow to ban for that. Maybe I am wrong but that is the way I see it.

On the other situation, with GL, that is being addressed now. And if it isn't dealt with from the email sent, then a punitive action will probably take place. Just trying to be fair ...that said, I might be failing at it.

Sounds fair. I'll give you an A for effort and I understand it's not your job to deal with these things and commend you for reaching out to the parties involved. All I or anyone wanted was closure on these issues before he moved on like nothing ever happened.

[2dueces]

Wesley had posted that he and his son wanted to put a low grade 69 baseball set together so I sent him a pm and put a lot of 400 cards in average ex to ex+. I offered them to him for $125 bucks I think that was a good deal for him. I sent them to him about a month ago and he agreed to the amount and that he would need to send it in a couple of installments, which I agreed to. I haven't seen any money.

I'm still hopeful that maybe I'll see some money, but now doubting it now that I know more and I don't know how to contact him to remind him. Wish I had known more sooner as I'm out $125 and that was a good deal for what I sent. Just trying to be nice and I like seeing kids getting into card collecting. Its not a ton of money, but money is tight right now for me and was hoping to use that money to get something I'd like at the upcoming Boston/Wilmington show.

This from September 2016. So Kirk isn't the only one that Wesley screwed. So he lied again. More proof Leon?

[Leon]

Ok, it will be addressed. It's kind of hard to address general statements but specifics can be dealt with. BTW, is that GL? He might be my next call...

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Wesley had posted that he and his son wanted to put a low grade 69 baseball set together so I sent him a pm and put a lot of 400 cards in average ex to ex+. I offered them to him for $125 bucks I think that was a good deal for him. I sent them to him about a month ago and he agreed to the amount and that he would need to send it in a couple of installments, which I agreed to. I haven't seen any money.

I'm still hopeful that maybe I'll see some money, but now doubting it now that I know more and I don't know how to contact him to remind him. Wish I had known more sooner as I'm out $125 and that was a good deal for what I sent. Just trying to be nice and I like seeing kids getting into card collecting. Its not a ton of money, but money is tight right now for me and was hoping to use that money to get something I'd like at the upcoming Boston/Wilmington show.

This from September 2016. So Kirk isn't the only one that Wesley screwed. So he lied again. More proof Leon?

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Leon

Ok, it will be addressed. It's kind of hard to address general statements but specifics can be dealt with. BTW, is that GL? He might be my next call...

Yes it is.

[Leon]

Just spent 15 great minutes on the phone with him. He seems like a very, very nice person. We are the same age and think a lot the same way......

Now his is an issue I can address and try to work with. I believe everyone I just need verification. Now to see if we can get GL's situation resolved an email has been sent about it.....I really only want peace and happiness in the hobby.

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Yes it is.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Wesley had posted that he and his son wanted to put a low grade 69 baseball set together so I sent him a pm and put a lot of 400 cards in average ex to ex+. I offered them to him for $125 bucks I think that was a good deal for him. I sent them to him about a month ago and he agreed to the amount and that he would need to send it in a couple of installments, which I agreed to. I haven't seen any money.

I'm still hopeful that maybe I'll see some money, but now doubting it now that I know more and I don't know how to contact him to remind him. Wish I had known more sooner as I'm out $125 and that was a good deal for what I sent. Just trying to be nice and I like seeing kids getting into card collecting. Its not a ton of money, but money is tight right now for me and was hoping to use that money to get something I'd like at the upcoming Boston/Wilmington show.

This from September 2016. So Kirk isn't the only one that Wesley screwed. So he lied again. More proof Leon?

Kudos for putting it out there. Appreciate you standing up.

[Exhibitman]

I dunno, call me old-fashioned, but I believe that a hobby gentleman honors his debts and makes good on his deals. A gentleman collector also keeps track of anything sent to him on approval and returns it just as he received it. None of that happened here.

I completely understand that everyone makes mistakes. Life is busy and we forget stuff. But Wes didn't make a mistake or forget something. Over the course of time he was given multiple chances to make good on two deals with two members here, people whose hobby credentials are above reproach, and he blew them off instead. He is only addressing Kirk's deal now, months later, with excuses that show he was negligent with a trading partner and ostensible friend's cards, because he is threatened with being kicked off this board. He hasn't even addressed Joe's deal.

The members' response to this situation isn't a gang-up mentality or an unfair commentary, it is a reaction to someone who has behaved in an inappropriate manner towards two fellow collectors in the recent past. Regardless of whether Wes resolves the situation with Joe by tendering payment six months late and only after being called out here, I don't think he should be welcome on this board. We should be able to rely on the gentlemen we choose to trade with to conduct themselves properly, and if they don't the penalty should be disassociation. Permanently.

[Leon]

I am in agreement with you, Adam. I have had this conversation about a man's word more than once today. As moderator I am of the mind people can make a minor mistake and not be dealt too harsh a blow. From what has been posted, to me, it seems like the first situation was what I said.....Now, did Wes take too long to deal with it? Probably. But, from what I was told it was trying to be dealt with when he was banned AND is also trying to be dealt with now. That is the first instance. I should add I do think Wes needs to step up on this and make it right....

Assuming you are speaking of the other person Joe is speaking of, there really isn't a good excuse for not dealing with it back then. Not one. But if it is made right today (and these aren't real large amounts and the victim isn't too traumatized) I am not sure a banishment from this board would be in order, again, in my view.

If other things come up they can be dealt with, If too many come up...well, we won't need to deal with them anymore ....

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I dunno, call me old-fashioned, but I believe that a hobby gentleman honors his debts and makes good on his deals. A gentleman collector also keeps track of anything sent to him on approval and returns it just as he received it. None of that happened here.

I completely understand that everyone makes mistakes. Life is busy and we forget stuff. But Wes didn't make a mistake or forget something. Over the course of time he was given multiple chances to make good on two deals with two members here, people whose hobby credentials are above reproach, and he blew them off instead. He is only addressing Kirk's deal now, months later, with excuses that show he was negligent with a trading partner and ostensible friend's cards, because he is threatened with being kicked off this board. He hasn't even addressed Joe's deal.

The members' response to this situation isn't a gang-up mentality or an unfair commentary, it is a reaction to someone who has behaved in an inappropriate manner towards two fellow collectors in the recent past. Regardless of whether Wes resolves the situation with Joe by tendering payment six months late and only after being called out here, I don't think he should be welcome on this board. We should be able to rely on the gentlemen we choose to trade with to conduct themselves properly, and if they don't the penalty should be disassociation. Permanently.

[mojorob]

Gee I wonder how that payment to George L. that is now about 6 months old is coming along by Wesley?

Any follow up on that Leon?

[Leon]

Not yet Kirk, But I think there will be one in the future.
Thanks for checking!!

Originally Posted by mojorob

Gee I wonder how that payment to George L. that is now about 6 months old is coming along by Wesley?

Any follow up on that Leon?