1933 Goudey Ruth- Questionable Authenticity? Not really...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

but Ben...that's not possible?!?!?!? PSA is the 2nd coming and SGC sucks. right????

Reality sucks sometimes.

[pawpawdiv9]

The sellers name is: thankforthescrewjob (1524 )
That's all I need to know.

[Exhibitman]

What's it say on the bat knob?

[JustinD]

this silly question mark crap is preying on the ineptitude of the masses and one of my biggest peeves with them.

Kudos to SGC for a clear NO.

I would like to suggest they send it back with this on the flip going forward...

[bobbyw8469]

I think the reason for the "?" is simply their way of saving space. There isn't enough line items to write out "questionable authenticity". Both of those words are pretty lengthy. So they simply put "? AUTH". Most seasoned collectors knows what that means. However, I can see how the novices could fall for that crap.

[Snapolit1]

Anyone who pays money for a card that has a third party determination of questionable authenticity deserves to lose their money.

These QA cards aren't being sold by innocent buyers, but by con artists who think they can put lipstick on the pig and sell it to someone else. Probably another scammer who hopes to rip someone else off. Hopefully they can't.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

What's it say on the bat knob?

Adam, I thought everyone knew this one, even a non-baseball card collector like me. It says F**k Face.

[pokerplyr80]

I don't see why they have to issue this decision on a flip that looks the exact same as for graded cards. Just return the card in the holder it was submitted in with a letter or something that says could not verify authenticity. The flip with "auth?" creates a sense of ambiguity that sellers such as this are taking advantage of.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Adam, I thought everyone knew this one, even a non-baseball card collector like me. It says F**k Face.

It could be argued that this is the most overpriced card in the hobby:
If the T206 Wagner had been produced in the same quantity as other cards, a Wagner PSA 1 would be worth something near a Cobb red, say $500. By being under produced, it's worth $400,000. That's an increase of 800x.
A common Fleer is worth 1 cent. The Billy Ripken cost me $25, an increase of 2500x.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Sean

It could be argued that this is the most overpriced card in the hobby:
If the T206 Wagner had been produced in the same quantity as other cards, a Wagner PSA 1 would be worth something near a Cobb red, say $500. By being under produced, it's worth $400,000. That's an increase of 800x.
A common Fleer is worth 1 cent. The Billy Ripken cost me $25, an increase of 2500x.

The F Face Billy Ripken was not produced in the same quantity as other Fleer cards. The error was caught and pulled. I don't know the exact print run numbers, though.

On the topic of this thread, PSA is literally leaving the door open for con-artists and scammers to rip someone off. Instead of nipping it in the arse with a NO like SGC, they leave it as a grey area "questionable authenticity". I struggle with PSA for multiple reasons, and this adds to my struggle.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

The F Face Billy Ripken was not produced in the same quantity as other Fleer cards. The error was caught and pulled. I don't know the exact print run numbers, though.

On the topic of this thread, PSA is literally leaving the door open for con-artists and scammers to rip someone off. Instead of nipping it in the arse with a NO like SGC, they leave it as a grey area "questionable authenticity". I struggle with PSA for multiple reasons, and this adds to my struggle.

The general guess is Fleer printed around 100,000 of the F Face cards. The high end counterfeit shown in the PSA slab and raw has around 15 known copies.

If SGC can straight up call it counterfeit there is no reason PSA can't step up and do the same thing.