PWCC Bid History

[1952boyntoncollector]

correct as well regarding prewar-. Lots of sellers have real high BINS but are willing to risk a 99 cent auction with PWCC instead of their own

also for all of those sleuths out there looking at the percentage of biddings...it really not that hard to bid .99 on many auctions with other sellers knowing you will get outbid to lower the percentage of bids with pwcc....

any person that is trying to cheat someone isnt going to have a hard time to mask the bidding percentage if they wanted too....really not worth over thinking the percentage of bids with pwcc......the bid retractions arent easy to mask though with the same id..

[PhillipAbbott79]

Do not under estimate the average person's stupidity. I recall a time when a guy running a printing press stole his bosses check and tried to cash it at the bank where he does business. Needless to say the guys fingerprints were clearly printed on it from the blank ink he was printing that day as if it were done by the local police department, besides the fact that the teller knew the business owner well.

[Edwolf1963]

For me, as a stand-alone I don't have much of an issue in bids with one seller - especially PWCC. I know of a few who seem to ratchet-up and prioritize his auctions, much like someone may do with their favorite AH's.

I do, however (and as noted previously) have an issue with the bid retractions - that to me is the big red-flag stay away. I can see a mistake once, but when you run across someone who has multiple - I can't quite grasp that. Especially if you couple that with the bid activity with one seller, low feedback, private auctions (names/details withheld) and or the minimum increment nibble-up bidding to see what high bid is.

Here's a good example link below ...

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565

"l***a(106) - no retractions, but clearly trying to find a ceiling. And the 3 just under-bidders all have several bid retractions - - one with 9! That should be justification for suspension, but eBay won't do that bcse they're active and a source to their revenue stream (just as Battlefield is).

To me, this auction has enough issues/red-flags to drop-out.

[SMPEP]

I agree Ed. When you're bidding $XXX.99, you aren't trying to win the item. Especially when there is a string of bids at $169.99, $174,99, $179.99 - all the way up to $199.99.

Cheers,
patrick

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

I agree Ed. When you're bidding $XXX.99, you aren't trying to win the item. Especially when there is a string of bids at $169.99, $174,99, $179.99 - all the way up to $199.99.

Cheers,
patrick

I disagree with that assertion. I have bid in small increments trying to see what the high bidder is without trying to outbid the high bidder (as they would get a 'youve been outbid alert')

[Republicaninmass]

Only begs the question,

"does Brent own the card?"

[glchen]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I disagree with that assertion. I have bid in small increments trying to see what the high bidder is without trying to outbid the high bidder (as they would get a 'youve been outbid alert')

I don't understand the logic behind this. Aren't you trying to win the card? If you bid the high bidder up to his max, but don't have any intention to overtake it, isn't this shilling?

[Rich Falvo]

Originally Posted by glchen

I don't understand the logic behind this. Aren't you trying to win the card? If you bid the high bidder up to his max, but don't have any intention to overtake it, isn't this shilling?

Thanks, I was just about to ask the same thing.

[VoodooChild]

Originally Posted by glchen

I don't understand the logic behind this. Aren't you trying to win the card? If you bid the high bidder up to his max, but don't have any intention to overtake it, isn't this shilling?

I believe he is trying to figure out, as close as he can without the current high bidder being notified, what the current winning could be. That way, he can put in a snipe at the end and win it for the minimum amount he can. Even though I feel that practice is ridiculous, ebay allows it to happen so what can you do. That is why I pay no attention to the bid history of an item and just place my max bid during the last few seconds. I know people are playing these silly bidding games (because ebay allows it) and I choose not to let it drive me nuts by inspecting the bid history.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by glchen

I don't understand the logic behind this. Aren't you trying to win the card? If you bid the high bidder up to his max, but don't have any intention to overtake it, isn't this shilling?

No i do have an intention of overtaking it but dont want to alert him that he was outbid......works well on low value cards like 10 dollars....i wait till the end to put in my bid and assuming the high bidder doesnt have a snipe, maybe i win the card easier versus alerting the bidder earlier that he was outbid. The 1 dollar can make a difference... If doing my early bids i can see he is already well beyond what i would be willing to bid i dont bother checking out the end of that auction. How many times in other AHs do you bid again when you get an email that you were 'outbid' but if you didnt get that email you dont bid.

When bid increments are $1.00 for example and you can see you are outbid by .02 cents, you know your next bid will be top bidder. Id rather not make that top bid until at the end of the auction instead of alerting the high bidder a few days ahead of time. Since its not a big card, he may not be checking often. I have lost cards by 12 cents before that if i was of bid earlier i would of been a dollar more so it goes both ways.

Obviously this all assumes there are no other bids until end of the auction. The point is there are more things going on than shilling when you see many small bids..

[VoodooChild]

Ebay reaches a ton of people. I'm sure there are collectors out there who have better things to do with their time than to be consistently searching ebay and staying up all night to wait for major AH auctions to close.

PWCC offers monthly auctions. You know when each item will close. They have everything from 19th century through pre-war through modern for all sports. They will combine your invoice throughout the length of the 2+ week auction and allow you to pay at the very end. They have very reasonable combined shipping costs, package everything up professionally, and ship out quickly with tracking number. For those reasons, I can totally understand if there are ebay users who have most of their bidding with PWCC.

Yes, I agree there is a serious issue with retractions, shilling, etc. and the recent discussion/posts about PWCC texting a bidder. The texting thing is obviously their fault. But some of that other stuff is ebay's fault.

However, for me personally, I just don't care. And I know that rubs some people the wrong way. My opinion is that if you choose to buy stuff on ebay, you're going to experience those issues as they allow it to happen. For that reason, I never check the bidding history for anything on ebay. When I see something I want, I move it to my watch list, and 5 seconds before the auction ends I enter in my max bid and that's it. If I win it awesome, if not oh well. I prefer to live a stress free life when it comes to collecting.

All that being said, I do understand Dan's concern along with everybody else who pays attention to bidding history and stuff like that and can see why they choose not to do business with certain sellers.

[brianp-beme]

My bidding history on ebay is certainly the exact opposite of this bidder's, but some people want to eat the same food, go to the same vacation spot, sit in the same seat at the theater, etc. It definitely could be an indication of something funky going on, but it is just as likely to be a bidder who feels more secure in the familiar.

Brian