In all the T206 back discussions I've never seen this question

[HercDriver]

I wonder what the extra card is...

If you add up the Sovereigns on the T206 Resource checklists, you get 483.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by HercDriver

I wonder what the extra card is...

If you add up the Sovereigns on the T206 Resource checklists, you get 483.

Hi Geno

I checked out my SOVEREIGN set and my count is 483.

The Chance (red portrait) card with a SOVEREIGN 350 back has been claimed to exist. However, I don't have it; and, I have not seen it.

If anyone on this forum has this card with a SOVEREIGN 350 back, please chime in.

Thanks.


TED Z
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[HercDriver]

Cool...thanks, Ted!! Add that to the 123 in the T205 set, and it looks like my collection will someday total 606 cards!

Take Care,
Geno

[HobokenJon]

Upon further review, it appears that the 215-vs.-216 / 483-vs.-484 discrepancy at T206 Resource centers on the Fred Clarke portrait, rather than the Chance red portrait. But there's reason to wonder whether either one should be listed as having a confirmed Sov 350 (forest green) back.

On the backs checklist for Clarke portrait, T206 Resource lists Sov 350 (forest green) as confirmed: http://bit.ly/2lBf32C

T206 Resource also lists Sov 350 (forest green) as confirmed on the Sovereign master checklist and on the T206 master spreadsheet. Note, too, that the Sovereign master checklist at the bottom says there are 484 Sovereign cards in all:

http://www.t206resource.com/Checklis...Sovereign.html

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0

However, for some reason the Clarke portrait is listed on the Sov 350 (forest green) checklist as a "probable no print." There are 215 cards if you exclude it and 216 if you include it. See here: http://www.t206resource.com/Sovereig...Checklist.html

(The Clarke portrait is actually shown twice on that page: once in the "probable no print" section, and again floating sort of randomly on top of -- but not within -- the "confirmed" checklist.)

But then the mystery deepens. Neither SGC nor PSA shows a confirmed Sov 350 Clarke portrait in its population report. The same is true of the Chance red portrait, as Ted alluded to. However, T206 Resource is consistent throughout its website in its classification of the Chance red portrait as "confirmed" with a Sov 350 forest green back. (Perhaps they know something we don't.)

So is 214, or 215, or 216 the right number of Sov 350 subjects? Who knows? Now I'm curious to know how many other "confirmed" Sov 350 cards might be less confirmed than others. If anyone has either of these cards, please speak up!

Ted, do you perchance have a Sov 350 Clarke portrait?

[PhillipAbbott79]

There are no PSA confirmed Chance Red Portraits.

[tedzan]

Jon

I do not have a Clarke (portrait) with a SOVEREIGN 350 back. Furthermore, I have never seen one.


TED Z
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[HobokenJon]

That's really intriguing, Ted. So if . . . . . (1) your Sovereign count is 483, and (2) you've never seen a Sov 350 Chance red portrait or a Sov 350 Clarke portrait, and (3) T206 Resource shows 484 cards on the Sovereign master checklist including a Sov 350 red Chance and a Sov 350 Clarke portrait, then, algebraically speaking . . . . . Does that mean you own, or otherwise have confirmed the existence of, a Sovereign card (presumably 350 forest green) that is classified as "unconfirmed" by T206 Resource? If so, which one?

[tedzan]

Jon

Here is my breakdown of the cards in a SOVEREIGN Master set ......

150 ...... SOVEREIGN 150
. 75 ...... SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green) 150/350 series
. 81 ...... SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green) Major Leaguers
. 59 ...... SOVEREIGN 350 (forest green) Minor Leaguers
. 66 ...... SOVEREIGN 350 (apple green) subjects
. 46 ...... SOVEREIGN 460 subjects
. . 6 ...... SOVEREIGN 460 Super-Prints
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483


TED Z
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[HobokenJon]

Are you including the Clarke portrait in the 150/350 series?