In all the T206 back discussions I've never seen this question

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

How many different homogeneous back complete sets can be made. If you exclude the big 3, can complete sets be made of Piedmont 150 Factory 25 backs? Do you have to eliminate the series (150, 350, 350-450) to be able to complete a Piedmont 25 set? How many individual back variations have an example of every card, and how lenient do you have to be of series and factory numbers to make it work?

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

No back brand has all the fronts, but I think Piedmont (factory 25) comes closes, if you combine the 150, 350, and 460 varieties. Ted Z would know about this, since I believe he has an all-Piedmont set. To answer your specific question, there are only 156 different fronts with Piedmont 150 Factory 25 backs:

Hi Scott
Yes, your question has been addressed many years ago.

Having completed (minus Doyle, Plank and Wagner) an all-PIEDMONT (Factory #25) brand set of T206's confirms all 522 subjects in the set are included with the PIEDMONT back.
Note....the Demmitt & O'Hara (St Louis) variations were printed only with POLAR BEAR backs.

Any other T206 tobacco back (SWEET CAPORAL, SOVEREIGN, etc.) set falls short of this number.

For example, my completed (minus Wagner) all-SWEET CAPORAL (Factory #30) set comprises of 468 cards.

And, my completed all-SOVEREIGN set comprises of 402 cards.


TED Z
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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

very cool. that was exactly what I was wondering.

[HobokenJon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Scott
Yes, your question has been addressed many years ago.

Having completed (minus Doyle, Plank and Wagner) an all-PIEDMONT (Factory #25) brand set of T206's confirms all 522 subjects in the set are included with the PIEDMONT back.
Note....the Demmitt & O'Hara (St Louis) variations were printed only with POLAR BEAR backs.

Any other T206 tobacco back (SWEET CAPORAL, SOVEREIGN, etc.) set falls short of this number.

For example, my completed (minus Wagner) all-SWEET CAPORAL (Factory #30) set comprises of 468 cards.

And, my completed all-SOVEREIGN set comprises of 402 cards.


TED Z
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Ted, could you please explain what you mean when you say your all-Sovereign set has 402 cards? There are 484 Sovereign cards in all, according to T206 Resource. That includes 150 Sov 150 subjects, 216 Sov 350 forest-green subjects, 66 Sov 350 apple green subjects, and 52 Sov 460 subjects.

[sreader3]

I should let Ted speak for himself but I don't think he double-counts the 150/350 guys who are available with both Sov 150 and Sov 350. That may account for the difference.

[HobokenJon]

Is it a complete Sovereign set if it lacks some of the Sovereign cards? What's the consensus? The six super-prints come in both Sov 460 and Sov 350 apple green. So that's another handful of cards where there's overlap between the different Sovereign series.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Ted, could you please explain what you mean when you say your all-Sovereign set has 402 cards? There are 484 Sovereign cards in all, according to T206 Resource. That includes 150 Sov 150 subjects, 216 Sov 350 forest-green subjects, 66 Sov 350 apple green subjects, and 52 Sov 460 subjects.

Jon

A complete basic all-SOVEREIGN set consists of 402 different T206 subjects. This is the set that I originally put together in 2007.

When you include the 6 super-prints (on display here) with their SOVEREIGN 460 backs, plus the repeated 150 series cards (76) with their SOVEREIGN 350 backs,
you then have a complete Master SOVEREIGN set totaling 484 cards.



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Thanks Scot for your support.


TED Z
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[HobokenJon]

Ah, got it. Many thanks, Ted.

[HercDriver]

I wonder what the extra card is...

If you add up the Sovereigns on the T206 Resource checklists, you get 483.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by HercDriver

I wonder what the extra card is...

If you add up the Sovereigns on the T206 Resource checklists, you get 483.

Hi Geno

I checked out my SOVEREIGN set and my count is 483.

The Chance (red portrait) card with a SOVEREIGN 350 back has been claimed to exist. However, I don't have it; and, I have not seen it.

If anyone on this forum has this card with a SOVEREIGN 350 back, please chime in.

Thanks.


TED Z
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[HercDriver]

Cool...thanks, Ted!! Add that to the 123 in the T205 set, and it looks like my collection will someday total 606 cards!

Take Care,
Geno

[HobokenJon]

Upon further review, it appears that the 215-vs.-216 / 483-vs.-484 discrepancy at T206 Resource centers on the Fred Clarke portrait, rather than the Chance red portrait. But there's reason to wonder whether either one should be listed as having a confirmed Sov 350 (forest green) back.

On the backs checklist for Clarke portrait, T206 Resource lists Sov 350 (forest green) as confirmed: http://bit.ly/2lBf32C

T206 Resource also lists Sov 350 (forest green) as confirmed on the Sovereign master checklist and on the T206 master spreadsheet. Note, too, that the Sovereign master checklist at the bottom says there are 484 Sovereign cards in all:

http://www.t206resource.com/Checklis...Sovereign.html

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0

However, for some reason the Clarke portrait is listed on the Sov 350 (forest green) checklist as a "probable no print." There are 215 cards if you exclude it and 216 if you include it. See here: http://www.t206resource.com/Sovereig...Checklist.html

(The Clarke portrait is actually shown twice on that page: once in the "probable no print" section, and again floating sort of randomly on top of -- but not within -- the "confirmed" checklist.)

But then the mystery deepens. Neither SGC nor PSA shows a confirmed Sov 350 Clarke portrait in its population report. The same is true of the Chance red portrait, as Ted alluded to. However, T206 Resource is consistent throughout its website in its classification of the Chance red portrait as "confirmed" with a Sov 350 forest green back. (Perhaps they know something we don't.)

So is 214, or 215, or 216 the right number of Sov 350 subjects? Who knows? Now I'm curious to know how many other "confirmed" Sov 350 cards might be less confirmed than others. If anyone has either of these cards, please speak up!

Ted, do you perchance have a Sov 350 Clarke portrait?