PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

If PSA allows this type of alteration/manipulation and grade anyway, Ill concede defeat. But, to my knowledge, that isnt the case. If I were buying a holder, Id do the same, but I buy cards. And I bought one hell of an altered 4. Lmao. And it wasnt even a PSA 4, it was SGC; and id rather own wrinkled, raw than SGC.

My guess is that whoever worked on it did a pretty good job and given the limited capabilities of a TPG (they are not crime labs), PSA did not detect anything. As Evan mentioned, lots of cards that get worked on end up in holders.

[Stonepony]

Lots of trash been thrown around...so who DID work on it?!?!

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Lots of trash been thrown around...so who DID work on it?!?!

Unless the card was worked on by the person who submitted it to psa what the difference?

I want to here more about Pwcc disciples and organized shilling ! That's the meat a potatos of this conversation. The rabbit goes deeper then one joe DiMaggio it appears. If this is true then more then a few people have been legitimately ripped off. Especially if the other auction houses know what is going on and psa is just slabbing what ever with a higher grade for bigger customers.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Unless the card was worked on by the person who submitted it to psa what the difference?

I want to here more about Pwcc disciples and organized shilling ! That's the meat a potatos of this conversation. The rabbit goes deeper then one joe DiMaggio it appears. If this is true then more then a few people have been legitimately ripped off. Especially if the other auction houses know what is going on and psa is just slabbing what ever with a higher grade for bigger customers.

Have you read the last 10 pages of this thread? Scroll back to the ones that started early this morning and work your way to the end. Your pwcc questions HAVE BEEN EXPOSED today.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Have you read the last 10 pages of this thread? Scroll back to the ones that started early this morning and work your way to the end. Your pwcc questions HAVE BEEN EXPOSED today.

I have read back and I don't see any details on the disciples and organized shilling. Just that you said it was going on . I see this topic has made its way to Blowout already to .

[1952boyntoncollector]

There have been a lot of cards that were glued to collector album then removed.

Gonewiththestain.com shows a bunch of 1952 topps for example that were glued that they 'fixed'.

If got the card graded before it was doctored, it would be an' A' after buying the A at a low price and doctoring it, it could be a psa 5.

I have never seen an auction house ever say that any card was glued to a photo album and then 'something happened' to the card and now its a PSA 5.

If you found out that your PSA 5 card came from a card that was glued to a collector album do you get your money back. Is the card truly a PSA 5? I would argue that it is a PSA 5 and you were not scammed.....

If the seller disclosed this, they probably get less for the card, but if they dont disclose it, they get more for the card but later people may find out about it and the seller may lose value in the market when trying to sell other things...who knows...

Noone knows exactly what the methods of how the card was changed to get into a PSA 7 was. There seems to be a big disagreement about what method is wrong and what methods would be deemed more acceptable.

i just think we are missing a big piece of the puzzle....

[Brent Huigens]

Board Members,

Here are a few comments on some of the points made by participants of this post:

• Though not part of our regular service offering, PWCC has had cards graded on behalf of our clients, usually at major shows, which are then consigned to our auctions. In rarer cases, we have also purchased cards on behalf of consignors with whom we manage a credit. This is largely consistent with every other auction house in the country.
• We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale.

I want to make another point here. Courtney DeLorme is a person with whom we no longer do business. Mr. DeLorme is now the first person in the history of PWCC to have been blocked as an individual rather than a specific user ID. This action was decided upon as a result to the ever-expanding list of abuse to our company, us as individuals, and the hobby at large. His main user ID has been blocked for some time due to extensive bid retractions. Last week all other user IDs associated with Mr. DeLorme were blocked due to personal threats and abuse, auction manipulation, and a very large unpaid debt. Mr. DeLorme went so far as to attack me on my personal Facebook page which was unfortunately viewed by many of my own friends and family. Many people know the reputation that Mr. DeLorme carries in the hobby; no longer doing business with him has been a huge relief for our family.

Betsy Huigens

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Board Members,

Here are a few comments on some of the points made by participants of this post:

• Though not part of our regular service offering, PWCC has had cards graded on behalf of our clients, usually at major shows, which are then consigned to our auctions. In rarer cases, we have also purchased cards on behalf of consignors with whom we manage a credit. This is largely consistent with every other auction house in the country.
• We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale.

Betsy Huigens

Sounds like a bad situation. I wonder how a consignor can have a large debt though with an auction house. Sounds like a very long relationship and for some reason it went sour. Seems like a lose lose situation

[Whodunit]

So, now Betsy, they get screenshots regarding your husband asking me via text just a few short weeks ago to shill bid.......been waiting all day for this one. ;-) thank you for FINALLY OBLIGING me.

And, Betsy, spell my name right.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Board Members,

Here are a few comments on some of the points made by participants of this post:

• Though not part of our regular service offering, PWCC has had cards graded on behalf of our clients, usually at major shows, which are then consigned to our auctions. In rarer cases, we have also purchased cards on behalf of consignors with whom we manage a credit. This is largely consistent with every other auction house in the country.
• We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale.

I want to make another point here. Courtney DeLorme is a person with whom we no longer do business. Mr. DeLorme is now the first person in the history of PWCC to have been blocked as an individual rather than a specific user ID. This action was decided upon as a result to the ever-expanding list of abuse to our company, us as individuals, and the hobby at large. His main user ID has been blocked for some time due to extensive bid retractions. Last week all other user IDs associated with Mr. DeLorme were blocked due to personal threats and abuse, auction manipulation, and a very large unpaid debt. Mr. DeLorme went so far as to attack me on my personal Facebook page which was unfortunately viewed by many of my own friends and family. Many people know the reputation that Mr. DeLorme carries in the hobby; no longer doing business with him has been a huge relief for our family.

Betsy Huigens

You don't deny the essential facts (for me) though -- that Brent knew the history of this card when he listed it. Whether he bought it and sold it for someone else, or with a partner, or for himself, don't affect anything. And PWCC's dealings with Cortney are beside the point too.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Board Members,

Here are a few comments on some of the points made by participants of this post:

• Though not part of our regular service offering, PWCC has had cards graded on behalf of our clients, usually at major shows, which are then consigned to our auctions. In rarer cases, we have also purchased cards on behalf of consignors with whom we manage a credit. This is largely consistent with every other auction house in the country.
• We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale.

I want to make another point here. Courtney DeLorme is a person with whom we no longer do business. Mr. DeLorme is now the first person in the history of PWCC to have been blocked as an individual rather than a specific user ID. This action was decided upon as a result to the ever-expanding list of abuse to our company, us as individuals, and the hobby at large. His main user ID has been blocked for some time due to extensive bid retractions. Last week all other user IDs associated with Mr. DeLorme were blocked due to personal threats and abuse, auction manipulation, and a very large unpaid debt. Mr. DeLorme went so far as to attack me on my personal Facebook page which was unfortunately viewed by many of my own friends and family. Many people know the reputation that Mr. DeLorme carries in the hobby; no longer doing business with him has been a huge relief for our family.

Betsy Huigens

So, PWCC knew about Mr. DeLorme's multiple Ebay user IDs? You blocked his "main" user ID and other "associated" IDs with Mr. DeLorme. I thought Ebay only allowed one user ID? Did you turn him into Ebay and how many consigners does PWCC have that have/use multiple ebay user IDs?

Cortney, how many eBay IDs do you have and why?

If eBay allows one seller account and one buyer account then fine. I do not know Ebay rules and I do not sell in eBay.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I have read back and I don't see any details on the disciples and organized shilling. Just that you said it was going on . I see this topic has made its way to Blowout already to .

Can you please provide the link?